Spiral Knights - Suggestions for CE prices,crafting,etc...

Suggestions for CE prices,crafting,etc...

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Mar, 09/11/2012 - 00:54

Animefrek

ok i saw so many treads people posted mostly crying to lower the CE price but
no one thought to post even once the solutions or some suggestions for it...

i have some ideas and suggestions so please guys read before you rage and tell me what you think

i think that OOO can make something like market,similar to Auction House
but that market will serve to deposit crystal energy so that other players can buy it
how will it work...for example
i come to market...right click and it ask me how much CE do i wish to sell/buy and for
how much price...minimum ce to deposit will be 10ce,and maximum 99,999ce
ofc the prices would be fixed...but you can chose do you want to sell 100ce for min 4000cr
4,500 5,000 5,500 or 6000cr max....(same goes for 10ce..50cr,60cr,70cr,...etc)
why this price for ce?cause players who have much ce can sell their ce ,and make some profit,and players who buy ce will be satisfied and will always
buy ce in the future
Also i think that this idea can make OOO some profit...players are using energy to revive when they die in missions,i suggest that they make a revival pass for 15-20$ or more if they wish
And there should be more crowns payout for missions like jelly king,not just for that mission,but all missions at least a little increase payout for smaller missions....for jelly king everytime i played its random payout 2,300cr....2,500cr...2,800cr,every time its random and its freaking me out,they should increase payout for jelly...at least 3500cr and fix the crowns minimum 3500cr,nothing bellow that
For crafting CE should decrease a little only for 3* 4* and 5* but to increase crown cost that is required for crafting
Btw what is my idea behind that ce market and CE cost,well,...this will make poor players to stop buying CE from greedy players who already set 9000cr for 100ce,and will force players who have lot of ce to sell it for lower price in that new CEmarket
with this sistem players will get more crowns from missions,and will always wish to buy ce for that low price,and players who have lot of ce will make profit,but...with this OOO will also make profit,players will sell energy and their energy will eventually run low,so those who are rich and can afford to buy ce for real money will buy it again,and IF they decide to lower the $ price for CE with this sistem,i think they will make a really huge profit
and dont say "omg with this sistem you will make 5* gear in no time" no you wont,thats why i suggested to decrease ce cost and raise the crown cost for crafting,one more thing,remember that the game is still being developed,and that the new weapons and gear's are comming up...who knows,maybe they will be better than those you have now,and ofc the new ones should be more expensive with ce and cr cost
the only thing that is wrong with OOO is that they dont give us the clue what are they doing,they should do something like "sneak peak" they present the new sword for example they show its shape,but its totaly black that we can see its color,and some short interesting background story about it
this guild hall that they are working on is perfect "sneak peak" for me and im excited
So ask me some questions,lets discuss about my ideas,and i really want to read what you think about this,and please dont rage lets just have a normal conversation about this,and ofc i want to read your ideas for the game too

Mar, 09/11/2012 - 10:00

Nexafor

I have a solution

I have posted a solution:
http://forums.spiralknights.com/en/node/63994
have fun ;3

Mar, 09/11/2012 - 11:16

Little-Juances

1. If you put a limit in the market, sellers can simply chose not to use it.

2. revival pass? that woudl allow even the noobiest of players to kill the hardest boss with proto armor by just spamming a button

3. Increase payouts AND lower crafting cost? I'll stop reading right now.
If each idea didnt have issues on it's own, the combination of them makes me sick.

Mar, 09/11/2012 - 12:33

Animefrek

i agree

i agree with you Nexafor your solution is very good indeed

Mar, 09/11/2012 - 12:39

Animefrek

and you...

Little-Juances...ok so no revival pass,i agree with that now,but your post number 3.....man you didnt even read till the end,so dont be like that
hmmm,and maybe if you are against that solution to lower the crafting cost and increase payouts,...then how about just increase payout and crafting cost remain the same? would that make your day?hm?

Mar, 09/11/2012 - 13:02

Luguiru

To clarify what is going on here

Alternate auction using CE instead of crowns
Fixed CE price range
Higher mission payouts
Revival pass
Modifying crafting costs for 3*+

Instead of just an energy to item market, why not have a full on "I want this for that" market? Not everyone just wants to use crowns or energy, sometimes they want to trade a specific item for another specific item without derping around trying to translate crowns into weapons or something.
"ofc the prices would be fixed...but you can chose do you want to sell 100ce for min 4000cr
4,500 5,000 5,500 or 6000cr max"
No limiting CE prices. This topic comes up almost on a daily basis and has always and will always be rejected.
That would increase the crown blubbler we have sitting around, meaning higher CE prices. When lower CE prices and higher payouts are in the same topic it means the original poster is being selfish.
Infinite revivals in the Clockworks, Lockdown, and Blast Network; even if it only worked for one of those, it would be ridiculous.
There is no reason to lower energy required to craft, but increasing crown and material requirements would eat up some of the blubber (excess amount of a resource, economic fat).

This was painful to read. The majority is "whine whine getting money is too hard I want more this and that" and every once in a while an actual thought shows up. The accumulative content I was able to interpret from this thread comes together as a giant mess of selfish whining which most likely comes from being part of the majority who have no idea how to play a game without having everything handed to them on a silver platter.

"ok i saw so many treads people posted mostly crying to lower the CE price but
no one thought to post even once the solutions or some suggestions for it"
Except you are part of those people whining over CE prices and making the same selfish mistakes.

Mar, 09/11/2012 - 14:17

Nexafor

a word

Just to close off:

Have a read on this:

You need to learn about the different forms of trading in the game, and you will see that you will not fall in need of much CE at the end of this long run:
1. Basic understanding of the system of player to player trading: http://forums.spiralknights.com/en/node/7678
2. Understanding the concept of Supply and Demand: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supply_and_demand
3. A nice round of question awnsering about the energy market: http://forums.spiralknights.com/en/node/4620
4. Basic trading guide for materials: http://wiki.spiralknights.com/Auction_House_and_Trading_guide_for_Beginners

Have a read on them, and start trying things out, don't be discouraged if you don't immediately make any significant crowns, when you understand the market good enough, which you will if you really want to, you will make good profits next to level runs :3.
I somtimes am amazed that many people think that end bosses and CE market traders are the ONLY profitable ways to make crowns and play this game, the articles sould help you on your way tough :).

I wish you good luck!

Mar, 09/11/2012 - 14:42

Animefrek

staight in center @__@

Luguiru
"1.Alternate auction using CE instead of crowns"
i dont really get your point here,you probably didnt read the post good enough

1) Ok that makes sense "i want this for that market" that would be good too
2)So you say no to limiting CE prices,ok....i must admit you have right,i have been mistaken about that,thats why i posted this so i can read your solutions not just whining and judging about how is this wrong...
3)if you really think its that much selfish than come up with some idea
4)if you didnt see i agreed with Little-Juances for no revival passes,i had thought about that really hard,and yes i say now no to revival pass,my bad i apologize
5)ofc if they increase crown payout,there would be no reason to lower CE crafting cost,the reason why i suggested that is because the unbinding cost is much too for 3*+ so i wanted to make things a little bit easier

If it really was so painful to read then im sorry,you can post your ideas unless you are afraid that someone else would say that it was painfull to read and it was bunch of stupid crap...and im not asking to get things on a silver platter,if i really dont know how to play then teach me wise master Yoda
Yes there are some mistakes in my post but im not trying to be selfish,im just loking for some way to get this little better and to make other players make some profit of it.
And yes i must admit im a little bit against those high CE prices,cause right now im not buying ce at all,i am so much focused to farm crowns,that i wont be able to get 4* gear at all in like 2 months or even more... and again i have mistakes but im not selfish
i bet that you are some 5* badass with like 1,000,000 crowns that is so much greedy...

Mar, 09/11/2012 - 14:49

Animefrek

Thanks

Nexafor thank you so much,i will be sure to read them all,you are being helpful,i will try it for sure ^^

Mar, 09/11/2012 - 15:31

Luguiru

I have plenty of 5* stuff and I worked for every single material, crown, and energy to make all of them.

I do not have a million crowns nor have I ever had that many at once because if I did I would be tempted to mess with the energy market as the people who actually have several millions of crowns occupy themselves with. When I get over a hundred thousand I try to roll UVs or buy something from an NPC to lower the amount of crowns in our economy so people like you can buy energy cheaper.

According to you, your short-sighted selfishness means my greed. Because that makes complete sense. Am I posting walls in the energy market? Am I suggesting we kick loyal players, whether they ever paid a single cent or not, in the crotch and run away? Am I asking for Three Rings to cut their own fingers off? Do I buy energy off the market and repost it at a higher price? None of the above. Ever.

I do have my own ideas.

I recommend you read this.

Mar, 09/11/2012 - 15:37

#10

Animefrek

lol my short-sighted selfishness xDD

i started to read your ideas and i like them,but really you dont have to look down on people like that...
thanks for help Luguiru

Mar, 09/11/2012 - 15:50

#11

Luguiru

All I ask is for people to read the rules before doing anything.

You would have found at least three threads for every single one of these, seen what happened in the other threads, and not made the same mistakes.

And now a moment of metal.

Mar, 09/11/2012 - 16:38

#12

Canine-Vladmir-Il

......

I think the CE Market should have a physical building. Like a stand or a gas station.

Mar, 09/11/2012 - 16:46

#13

Little-Juances

And we'll see angry people at the door.

Cool. OOO may take advanatge of that by also selling Protest Sings, anon masks, molotovs and bandanas.

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Suggestions for CE prices,crafting,etc...