As far as I'm concerned, until we get The Core, this game isn't complete. And no, The Core isn't the end of Spiral Knights altogether, so don't give me any crap about "Oh, but no more content after The Core, it's the swan song of this game." No, it's not.

such a good players, giving up so quick, and letting them steal your $$$

OOO LIED TO US , first they said it will be unlocked with CE, after relasing first missions they noticed how many ppl do it and out of nowhere changed it to WITH PURCHASE, so noble and fair

keep praising them and approvingg, we will see more of that

Since I fell asleep before the rarity thing came up, I do think they have "rare" items and those are accessories. Why not get those wings or the wig or whatever? Why does it have to be a piece of useful equipment?

Rarity is superficial and collectors can still collect without the item being rare if they want everything in the game. I just can't see it as anymore than an elitist argument, because it IS boiling down to the fact that other people can get the item and you want to be one of the few with it. We already have quite a few rare things from cosmetic items so I don't see why we need to make certain equipment rare just for the sake of being rare and excluding it from others.

For the guy who bought in anticipation: I know it must feel like a kick in the groin, but you could have probably just made the purchase the day it came out. Now if they were allowing prepaid purchases and then decided the energy couldn't be used when you made it that would be another issue. You didn't buy the expansion and you were trying to put something to it before the expansion even existed. I still think the developers are allowed to change their mind on the payment and pricing system before this thing comes out, mostly because no one's been told how much they have to spend yet. I mean, for all we know, it could have cost way more CE than just buying the expansion pack straight up. You might not even had enough CE if the mission hypothetically cost CE.

You mention rare accessories? Someone also mentioned scissors yes?
I own an original set of wings (they're on my alt's coat), I own scissor blades, its just that featured auctions isnt exactly rare, since eventually we'll just get another one in a few weeks or so.
(I'm also in posession of a Zee Core, but thats going to have future use anyway, and honestly I'd like that to happen, slooms are fun!)

OT: I'm a paying player, and instead of complaining about my rare shield, I'ma talk on topic. I pay for CE on a biweekly basis. say for example I want to craft a lot of 5-star items while my 7-day heat amp is active, or I just need that little bit extra CE to buy something fancy, like scissors. I don't mind using a little of my RL earnings, it used to be alright, but now that I'm getting bored, collecting is all thats motivating me. (I have 2 sets of ancient plate, I dunno why D:) So buying these "DLC"s wont be a major problem for me, but if I'm the only person I know that will buy it, then playing it on my own will be rather, crap to be honest, and I wouldn't mind gifting one if it was the right price. But not all my friends are on steam (For example Asthix, guildies <3), and being able to gift it in-game like the party and battle royale CE packs would be very appreciated. Include that, and I might be okay with this, probably.

Wow......

There won't be a product if there are no customers, the only people to blame are the people who would actually buy this crap.
Was already on the edge of quitting, this will make it final. P2P customer here, let's hope they 3O gets the idea.

@Wuvvums
If you don't want to be told anything go hide in a cave. Learn to deal with confrontation already please, talking about 'being mature' in every thread I see but you haven't even developed a shield against other people's opinions/[bullcrap] yet.

We will blame people that actually support companies into growing arrogant enough to directly demand money for something that should be free.

Instead of blaming the community for your gripes, why not blame the developer? Attacking other players for spending their money their way isn't going to change anything. In fact, it'll further divide the community. I don't like how P2P resent F2P because they're supposedly complaining and leeching off the system. I'm sick of F2P blaming P2P for having more than them and spending money on a game they enjoy. The game NEEDS both F2P players to keep the MMO from being a barren wasteland and empty and lonely, and the P2P players to keep the game financially supported. There is no reason why people should resent or blame one another for how the game is. The community shouldn't blame each other for how the game is made.

...is that OOO sells Shadow Lairs as a separate DLC. In effect, it lets people access SL for a flat rate (which is miles better than the current Shadow Key system).

Is there a way to transfer a Kongregate character to steam? Otherwise I will just have to cross my fingers and hope Sk will allow gifting without steam at some point.. Because as long as a F2p can access it without steam I am not opposed to OOO doing this.

And I think the reason OOO does not want to make it purchasable with CE is that prices will go crazy due to demand.

@Eltia lol in PSO Ultimate mode mostly everything will 2hit you if you're careless and don't resist that damage type

Aint even trolling. Unlike being passive-agressive like certain people here I dare to voice my own opinion.
I paid for this game just like you sir, get your facts straight before you let the adrenaline get to you again.

If a company can get away with certain actions it is not because they're evil or powerful, it's because people like you stood by and did/said nothing.
This applies to most of the misery we've been dealing with over the centuries and still are. People can't be bothered to stand up and just go with the flow, mindless sheep. Go youtube George Carlin.

Calling someone crazy or branding him a troll is just another easy way of dealing with people that you can't handle, go be done with life in your own time.

Unfortunately I don't. In fact, while PSO and SK are both under the Sega umbrella (and hence ultimately breath through the same nostrils), I do not like to see SK to be overshadowed by design decisions made in PSO.

What I said earlier is only a logical conclusion based on a certain design assumption. If you make mobs hit ridiculously hard and called that "hard", there is nothing hard about it because we already have crowd control (Shivermist, Stagger Storm and Vortex) and ranged attacks (e.g. guns) to handle that. So as I said, it's a ridiculous design decision and we already have a non-fun solution for it.

I kind of like how Roarmulus Twins are designed. You can beat it with lower tier equipment and the difficulty does not rely on how hard the mobs hit you.

I like Roarmy too. I hope they make more boss battles and dungeons puzzle-like. The puzzle aspect is a nice change of pace.

By the way, I think I would be interested if shadow lairs were made as expansion content too. I think it would be an interesting design choice if expansions were reserved for the paywall content, and made it clear that things like the shadow lairs are meant to be optional, extra, and doesn't detract from the gaming experience if you wish to forgo them. Not sure if the developers are even going to plan to include the shadow lairs in any part of the missions. It would feel a little disjointed if they didn't, actually, why wouldn't there be a mission for something like that?

Why the (insert) would you make even more impossible to access Shadow Lairs to f2p players, Wuvvums??? ಠ_ಠ Are you trolling us? At least wait until OOO confirms that we will have that own client gifting support thing, please.

A tier 3 person like me spend energy and real money for packs mission and dont get so much...well..its depressing =/

The main issue here isn't that they are charging for a premium service, it's that SK is billed as free to play, with access to all content without having to pay. It is the change in direction that has upset people, more so than the need to fork over cash.
The Gremlin missions will add something important to the game, as King Tinkinzar has been looming in the background for a while. It's a shame that people will either have to pay (like myself) or do stream trades (free players).
To further add to the problem, initially Nick had posted that expansion missions would be obtainable using CE, and now OOO has changed their minds. This is, of course, their prerogative, but it doesn't change the fact that expectations were set, and then changed. People have a right to be upset, and in the case of Exileddread, Blaqqie and a few others, could cause them to quit the game. That is their prerogative as well, and if that is how they feel perhaps they are better served not being in game. A game is meant to be fun, and a break from real life. The moment it ceases to provide entertainment, or the moment it causes negativity in your life should be the moment you leave.

Hopefully, OOO will be able to respond to their clients in a way that allays their complaints, and are able to keep the community as a whole happy. There will always be those who cry foul and compare a large company to fascist regimes the moment something they don't like happens, and in many of those cases nothing can be resolved. Those who are more level headed with their complaints are more likely to be heard, at the very least.

@ Exileddread I sincerely hope we don't lose you, you are one of the best SK has, however I understand why you would say enough is enough.

Venom, he isn't trolling you. Trolling is done to get at people, and to essentially just 'mess with them'... he is making a legitimate point.

He is saying that if we keep buying stuff from OOO, they'll keep making it, and nothing will ever 'get better'. Essentially, that if we continue to purchase shadow keys and purchase DLC like this and purchase ce, then OOO will continue to create content costing ce and USD... which is not something that I'm particularly fond of.

Nor is it a personal attack- saying that the masses are mindless sheep is different from going out of your way to call a single individual a mindless sheep, its like saying "I hate beggars"... kind of.

"The concept of paying once and have unlimited access sounds better than shadow keys.
Still needs some work."

Yeah, but you could get shadow keys using energy. I guess probably part of the reason they're going with real money is that there's lots of CE sitting unused waiting to be spent on stuff like the expansion pack missions so it technically isn't profit for them if you're merely spending your resources that you already paid for. Not cool in my opinion though, and it is bad logic, because a lot of people will spend money purchasing new CE to get the expansion missions.

Some of the fury seems pretty hard to understand, considering prices and content haven't actually be confirmed yet. And I need to find the post that implies that King Tinkinzar is going to part of the paid DLC instead of being free content, considering the number of posts that seem to think that way. That said, if I'm expected to pay for DLC levels, what's wrong with boss content? Value for money and what not, right? Even if there's boss exclusive weapons and what not, I expect that everyone will be able to get them off AH in the end.

Honestly, the only content that shouldn't be DLC's the core. Anything else is fair game. Though it might be fun if we had some DLC levels on the surface instead of digging down.

WOW LOOK AT ALL THOSE TINFOIL HATS AND ENTITLEMENT COMPLEXES IS IT HALLOWEEN ALREADY?????????

I'm getting the impression here that some of the people accusing Three Rings of being greedy don't have a proper conception of why companies exist in the first place, especially when they say things like:

"something that should be free."

Really? Really?

Every new thing 000 has implemented has been a money making scheme this one just more direct.

-accessories (not to mention holding back items that people thought they could get when they arrived).
-featured ah
-shadows lair
-re-returns of items they said that were long gone.

Honestly nick you type your fancy messages and lie to most of the general public within it but some of aren't so blind.

Plenty of people in this thread have said they're willing to pay with CE. That is still making them money. Having to pay with cash just hurts the community.

Well, that I know, but I was talking about the people who are saying that it should be free.

Most of what I want to say has been said, but like Nicoya, I'd be more than willing to pay with CE (all CE comes from someone's wallet anyways, so what's the difference?). Shutting out the F2P crowd isn't a good direction for SK to take, especially for people who don't use Steam.