Spiral Knights - And this is how you convert a supporter to a hater

And this is how you convert a supporter to a hater

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Thu, 09/13/2012 - 12:25

#51

Canine-Vladmir

@Phantom

I tripped on one of those electrical wire barriers in GTM.

Thu, 09/13/2012 - 12:31

#52

Shidara

What?

I absolutely LOVE Ghost in the Machine! It is atmospheric, good difficulty, and a wicked boss to boot - what is not to love? That said, you are entitled your own opinion on the matter, but my advice would be to practice it more. It's not obscenely difficult, really. Besides, it's available every day for a week, so you have plenty of time to practice and get better at it.

@Derprules
As far as I know, these new styles haven't made it to the live server yet. I confirmed this earlier by attempting to create a new account - nothing new. When the day comes, though, I will rise to fight for our right to either purchase or trade our existing proto gear for the new ones at will unless they are made available to us through conventional means, as these are currently not available to veteran players.

Thu, 09/13/2012 - 12:34

#53

Tersakaff

I think the difficulty of GITM is a little too much, but it's a DANGER mission. I don't think it crosses into impossible. Essentially. If we take the lag into account, it's a keyboard smasher.

I think all the danger missions are as they were in the test server, lol.

Thu, 09/13/2012 - 12:42

#54

Bella-Donna

GITM

This was fun, I was able to do it with a group on the first try, we did need to rev but only used mist and for a first run, we did pretty well. I like it how it is, and Ters, How you doing?

Thu, 09/13/2012 - 12:46

#55

Good-Spirit

holy moley. Well, to quote a

holy moley.

Well, to quote a more famous man then myslelf -

I don't know the key to success, but the key to failure is trying to please everybody.
Bill Cosby

you people complain far too much.

did you wake up breathing today? with eyes you can see with? fingers you can type with? yes?

Count your blessings.

Thu, 09/13/2012 - 12:56

#56

Opod

@thug

I heart you. Do you feel comfortable now?

Thu, 09/13/2012 - 13:15

#57

Razor-Dash

@Blueflood

Okay, then why did they bother to create these forums for? Is it not to learn our thoughts on the game itself? Hmm? If we complain, then it's obviously because they did something wrong. We complain because they know what they did wrong but didn't even try to fix said mistake. And we will keep complaining until the ACTUALLY fix said mistakes.

Don't get all smartaleck with us, you're getting nowhere with your arguments.

Thu, 09/13/2012 - 13:25

#58

Nexafor

Good use of logical thoughts +1

Thu, 09/13/2012 - 13:36

#59

Njthug

@iPod

Baby lets make some loving on this thread. So I heart you since you still play this game and have fun....also you dont act like a 5 year old n complain I hate them 5 year olds they lie on the TOS.....iPod what you wearing right now baby?

Thu, 09/13/2012 - 13:42

#60

Zeddy

@Phantomhamachi

The common opinion about Ghost in the Machine was that it was too easy. They did fix that by adding respawning constructs at the boss and Deadnaughts!

Thu, 09/13/2012 - 13:46

#61

Tersakaff

@Bella-Donna

I did GITM on first try too, with Shishi and Zeak. :)
I have detailed about how I am doing in the "wheres tersakoff???" thread.

Thu, 09/13/2012 - 14:35

#62

Orangeo

Tears, you are given my

Tears, you are given my second bundle of peanut butter cookies. Go eat them with fezor.

I have to quote this;
""THERE'S A BUTTLOAD OF PLAYERS THAT AREN'T EVEN AWARE OF WHAT GOES ON IN THE FORUMS AND ERGO LIKE IT AS IT IS"."

LOL NOPE
You're saying "Since they haven't said anything, they agree with me!!!" What a load of BS. Thats like me saying I'm running for president, and getting the votes of anyone who dosen't vote. If Mccain got a vote for everyone who never voted, he would easialy have won in 2008.

Also, to those reading this, NJ's love is but a farse~

Thu, 09/13/2012 - 13:57

#63

Glacies

Zeddy, they didn't really

Zeddy, they didn't really *add* anything besides the extra constructs in the boss fight. Almost all the arenas were exactly the same from the test server. There were only slightly changes made to a few things.

However, they did speed up the cable attacks from the boss and the rotation speed of the electric orbs during battle.

Honestly, OOO should hire more people to actually release more content. Have a small group work on main additions and have another group work on releasing new levels. The thing is that OOO needs to release more content at a MUCH faster pace than what they're doing. I mean I understand taking the time for quality control but it seems kinda wrong that it takes OOO a whole month to release a 1.2 depth level that uses existing assets and enemies.

And, no. Having the same enemies just retextured doesn't count.

Thu, 09/13/2012 - 14:00

#64

Zeddy

@Glacies

I didn't recall there being Deadnaughts when I tested. But then, I never had the best memory. My bad!

@Diamondshreddie
What you're describing is most definitely not a problem unique to Java, but rather a general programming problem. In fact, Java is very strict about having everything neatly packed into classes exactly to avoid such problems.

Try importing a bunch of third-party libraries in C++ and then tell me Java is bad at this.

Thu, 09/13/2012 - 14:01

#65

Byas

I wonder why Eury answered

I wonder why Eury answered the 10 minute mock so fast but not a single GM/Dev has yet answered Acck's questions nor the shard bomb's rage.

How long does it take to Develop an apology for mistakes made?
How long does it take to remove/fix Stun?
How long does it take to put back Elemental damage?
How long does it take to not break things that were not broken to begin with?
How long does it take to compensate those that used/paid for the thing that ooo broke.
How long does it take to penalize those that took advantage of compensation scheme?

Thu, 09/13/2012 - 14:41

#66

Dhmorgousbord

Too much of this complaining about OOO stuff

Since when did what they did with the game become not their choice? They can run the game into the ground if they want to (not that they are).

Here's what promotion means "Something devised to publicize or advertise a product, cause, institution, etc., as a brochure, free sample, poster, television or radio commercial, or personal appearance." - These prize boxes fit this definition perfectly, it doesn't matter what's in the box. If you want to make sure you don't get a UV ticket with your CE then buy it when there isn't a promotion going on. If you gain more than you would normally, then it's a promotion.

SK is Three Rings'/Sega's game; not yours. Make your own if you want whatever you want.

Also

Disagree with me so I can disagree back! :D

Thu, 09/13/2012 - 14:33

#67

Orangeo

It is their choice Cytrixx.

It is their choice Cytrixx. Noone disagrees with you there (sorry?). Noones really saying that this 'isn't' a promotion, they're just saying that is isn't a good one, etc.

Thu, 09/13/2012 - 15:28

#68

Dhmorgousbord

@Orangeo

I think it's a fine promotion. I get more than I would have normally, therefore, happy me.
If you don't/can't appreciate it, ignore it D:

Thu, 09/13/2012 - 14:46

#69

Icegill

Respect and patience.

You guys need to realize OOO isn't a big team. Yes they make mistakes and so do we because we're all human, whatever, deal with it. I have respect for all of you and I respect all of your opinions and so do OOO but making it public like this doesn't help at all, honestly.

Thu, 09/13/2012 - 14:51

#70

Byas

People aren't complaining

People aren't complaining about OOO's mistakes directly, but about their posture to never acknowledge them nor to anything about it just shoving it under the carpet.

Thu, 09/13/2012 - 14:53

#71

Yanos-Aldrin

Why? Because!

Well, when you criticize game elements, mechanics, and all things game, that's fair as it is an expression of opinion or critique of the current state of affairs of the product (hereby referred to as Spiral Knights).

When you make assumptions about the work habits of the developers responsible for the product itself, I can see how anyone under the employ of OOO might take offense.

Couple that with ignorance to what it takes to actually build & code content for spiral knights, and you have a perfect storm of Wrongness.

Not that I'm taking sides, I'm just simply calling it as I see it.

Thu, 09/13/2012 - 14:54

#72

Icegill

If you don't like OOO or if

If you don't like OOO or if you think Spiral Knights is boring in its present state, leave. Simple as that.

Thu, 09/13/2012 - 15:04

#73

Orangeo

"Yes they make mistakes and

"Yes they make mistakes and so do we because we're all human, whatever, deal with it. "
It is only reasonable to tolerate so much. Any obvious mistake that can be undone, should be undone. If I see a mistake that affects me, I'm not going to just 'get over it' and sit idly by like some passive wimp when I see something that genuinely disgusts me.

"I respect all of your opinions and so do OOO but making it public like this doesn't help at all, honestly."
It is everyones right, if not their responsibility, to make their opinion public when they can.

"Couple that with ignorance to what it takes to actually build & code content for spiral knights, and you have a perfect storm of Wrongness."
Oh, because game developers are gods. Programing isn't incredibly hard, I learned java in a few weeks. Though personaly I do more 3D work. Go join a robotics team or something and play with labview or scratch.

"If you don't like OOO or if you think Spiral Knights is boring in its present state, leave. Simple as that"
That's like saying if you don't like the president you should leave america. Herpy derpy.

Thu, 09/13/2012 - 15:00

#74

Byas

@Ice: Nah, I'm taking some

@Ice: Nah, I'm taking some pauses because I don't have anything more to do on SK but I'm not saying that the game is as bad as to quit after all I like it enough to come discuss into these forums and to notice what I think that they did wrong and what they did right. If you can't take different opinions I'm afraid that you are the one who should quit :) (from the forums at least).

@Yanos: Sure, and they have all the rights of being offended. But why answer so fast to a mockery/joke and completely ignore important things? (yeah, I'm looking at you, shard bombs test server feedback).

Thu, 09/13/2012 - 15:29

#75

Dhmorgousbord

Not everything that OOO does

Not everything that OOO does "wrong" is "wrong" to everybody. You can't talk about it as if it's universal.

Thu, 09/13/2012 - 15:32

#76

Yanos-Aldrin

Now Now,

I never suggested that developers were gods, my opinion of them is certainly far from it (though it could change if they drop the price of the shadow key by 75%) What I meant by the 'perfect storm of wrongness' quote was in regard to people's assumptions of what the developers do. Regardless of the ease or lack-there-of of programming java, they do have to manage the personnel, and I have no clue how large the OOO studio is in terms of staff, so I cannot make any safe assumption as to how long it takes to create new content for the game.

I certainly won't disagree with everyone's reaction to the shardbomb debacle either. It sounds like OOO really dropped the ball on that one, or more accurately, they decided internally that these game mechanics needed to change, otherwise why would they bother with 'compensating' those who already had these bombs before the update?

All I am saying here is: anyone who accuses the development team of SK of not working on the game probably has no idea what's going on at OOO internally so the chances of them guessing the work habits of the Dev. Team being correct are probably very small, and hence Eury getting involved in the discussion & defending the devs.

Thu, 09/13/2012 - 15:48

#77

Rangerwillx

@People

My post was out of line. I am removing it, I wish tersa would remove his quote as well.
I apologize.
Still..I have some money sitting around. If you want me to use it, I recommend you get some cool things out.

Thu, 09/13/2012 - 15:45

#78

Rangerwillx

Also, thank you derpules. I was..not in a good mood, let's just say that.
I enjoy this game, I regret all I said in my last post, but as derpules said, I wish content would get out quicker.

Thu, 09/13/2012 - 17:34

#79

Doctorspacebar

Whoa, whoa, everyone's so angry!

Are you trying to warm yourself with RAGE?!

Okay, BitF link aside, I don't see what's so bad about the promos. They do drive the CE down, and the graphical team probably works on them in their spare time (you know, when they're done but the other programmers are still finishing up); the graphical team can't program a new sword, they can only program a reskin or something. Also, fun is subjective; I know I'm still enjoying the game, though I certainly ain't grinding FSC every day (good ol' Elevator Pass comin' through for me when I want to go in the Arcade).

However, your other points are more or less valid. The FSC mission's payout does need a nerf... and maybe the FSC in the Arcade can stand to lose a little payout since it gives out those Almirian Seals. Then, in the process of "pimping out their knight", players would have to run the Arcade- keeping one aspect without eschewing the other, as the Arcade is always changing.

As far as the Shard Bombs go, yeah, the changes were terrible. Eek5 explained it better than I feel like explaining right now.

@Rangerwill, i think you got EDIt; Oops. i was gonna say something but forgot to finish it. Fail.

Finally, a message to Njthug: the only game you deserve is on the... Philips CD-i!"

But seriously, you're helping as much as the ragers. Yes, the Shard Bomb update was bad; I really think you only support it because of the UV tickets, as you haven't given any other reason. NOW STOP POSTING INNUENDO AND FLIRTING WITH USERS WHO DISAGREE WITH YOU!

"Because...you hit on all the girls... And I...think...that...makes...you...gross." - Serra, Fire Emblem: Rekka No Ken (just Fire Emblem in the US. It's the one for the GBA.)

Thu, 09/13/2012 - 15:53

#80

Autofire

I never knew Eury would react like that. o.o

Though it's not out of line at all. There has been too many saying "The devs need to do their jobs instead of sitting around." Do not say that till you have had sometime working on games YOURSELF, please. Until you know what that's like, don't go saying that they are slow. I am learning how to make games, and actually I've decided that until I can get a good experience, I'm not going to say such a thing.

Java is also a hard language. Don't expect bugs to be found real fast. Actually that's why I'm making Cradle Bound with C. I am most likely going to be the only person working on it, so I need to be able to slay all the bugs BY MYSELF. Java is actually easier, though, if you are porting your game/program to systems A, B, and Z, though. If you have 3 different versions, you need to update all those at the same time, lest you won't be supporting everyone. Just think: OOO would have to take 3 times as long to make ONE UPDATE if they did that. Java can turn that down to one version, so that's why you make a big game like this in Java, ESPECIALLY IF YOU ARE IN A SMALL TEAM. *cough cough*

Oh, and Orangeo, there is an issue with your logic. Leaving America? Well, that costs a LOT of money, unless you go into Canada/Mexico. Even still, it is harder moving to a whole new country that might have a different language than just switching games. I would be putting another comparison up, but everything I can think of has some hole. :\

Hmm, if OOO could answer a question, it would be appreciated: Why do you like to be a small team, anyway? Isn't it limiting? I'm really curious. Being I want to go into game-making, I think it would help me a lot if I can get some understanding.

And on one last note: NJthug, are you a boy or a girl? I, um..., have had a hard time telling.... o.O

Thu, 09/13/2012 - 16:06

#81

Rangerwillx

@Doctorspacebar

.uh...what?
@Icegill I never, ever, fall for the 'they're a small team' one.
They've been milking us for over a year, surely they could afford a couple more people to add to the gang.

Thu, 09/13/2012 - 16:05

#82

Trying

They can afford more people. The problem is finding qualified people.

Thu, 09/13/2012 - 16:07

#83

Rangerwillx

Trying:
True, but I'm pretty sure they're not looking. If they looked for a month or so I'm sure someone would pop up.

Thu, 09/13/2012 - 16:09

#84

Grittle

I AM SO ANGRY, I AM ANGRLY

I AM SO ANGRY, I AM ANGRLY POINT AT OOO

NO, im not like that line above ( NOT YOU RANGERWILL, THE ONE IN MY POST), but i am slightly displeased about this string of updates, and this is not coming from no newcomer, ive been playing this game for 1 year 4 months now, longer than most of these people in this thread.

Thu, 09/13/2012 - 16:16

#85

Trying

http://www.threerings.net/jobs/
The positions there have been open for months.

Thu, 09/13/2012 - 16:16

#86

Byas

Not everything that OOO does

Not everything that OOO does "wrong" is "wrong" to everybody. You can't talk about it as if it's universal.

And it looks like not everybody knows how to read either...

... and to notice what I think that they did wrong...

Thu, 09/13/2012 - 16:21

#87

Snarfalarkus

OOO could care less about

OOO could care less about what questions we have because they don't have the answers. It's only their way, and nothing else. Seriously, they won't be progressing at any good rate. The only reason I think the guild hall update is happening is because they had that on their To-Do list since the day SK was released. I would give up on them, but I know there's at least 2 or more good decisions on that To-Do list that could turn everything around.

Thu, 09/13/2012 - 16:22

#88

Grittle

@Rangerwill

When i say most, I mean not everybody rangerwill, and i was talking to rangerwillx, the original rangerwill, and i know of 4 people that have been here longer than me

1- Rangerwillx
2- LoN
3- NJthug
4- Eury

Thu, 09/13/2012 - 16:30

#89

Yanos-Aldrin

How bout me?

I started on July 6th, 2011. Am I close?

Thu, 09/13/2012 - 16:32

#90

Grittle

Kinda, I started May 8th 2011

Thu, 09/13/2012 - 16:33

#91

Yanos-Aldrin

oh darn i'm two months off!

oh darn i'm two months off! *hands seniority sash over to Grittle*

Thu, 09/13/2012 - 16:34

#92

Iamnoone

I started here a month ago so

I started here a month ago so I'm kind of noobish and need crowns and CE.
Can I have 100 crowns please?
Can I have 10 CE plaese?

Thu, 09/13/2012 - 16:48

#93

Autofire

Really?

Looks at jobs list...

OH FREKIN MAAAAN!!!!!! I LOVE LINUX!!!!!!! I would definitely sign up for that sysadmin job......but I'm too young.... :(

/cry

I hope either that job is open by the time I'm 18 or some other programming job. Waaaaah I wish I was 18.... :'(

Thu, 09/13/2012 - 16:53

#94

Wuvvums

I'm just going to say that

I'm just going to say that sometimes job positions stay open for a long time. Some firms are in no rush to fill these positions and some deliberately try to put off filling the position for as long as they possibly can. I am not sure if OOO is such a firm to do that, though, I'm just talking from a job hunting perspective.

Thu, 09/13/2012 - 17:02

#95

De-Xstroyer

I've seen alot of people

I've seen alot of people complaining about how waaah they can't fix this bug or waaaah they can't fix this mechanic and then saying "If they can make new danger missions, they should be able to fix this!!!"

Take this from someone who has experience with coding and game design...

Its a LOT easier to create new levels and such then to fix bugs sometimes. To make a level, you have all the assets, all the code, most of the models... you just need to put it together into a new level. To fix a bug? You have no idea where it is, what's causing it, and how you can fix it. Does that really sound so easy? A game like Spiral Knights more than likely has millions of lines of code, and they will have to sift through ALL of that. Its not THAT easy. OOOs doesn't just want the game to be broken forever. It would only benefit them to fix these things for us. But they also have to release new content, or the game will get stale in the time they're trying to fix said bugs, and its alot easier for them to do that then identify these little problems.

Thu, 09/13/2012 - 17:21

#96

Milkman

"People aren't complaining about OOO's mistakes directly, but about their posture to never acknowledge them nor to anything about it just shoving it under the carpet." -Byas

Do you remember when they released the danger missions Heart of Ice and Compound 42? Upon their release they added that danger mission to be the current danger mission so people had access straight away. But the mission would switch over at the end of the day, which apparently meant Europeans didn't get a shot at the mission for a few days until it cycled back in. Asukulan raged a lot each time. A few others agreed with this point of view. So what did they do when they released Ghosts in the Machine? They made it available everyday for a week. Everyone gets to play it as soon as possible. Clearly OOO has both acknowledged and addressed this problem. So unless you are another fool who's trying to use hyperbole to make a point, pull your head out of your arse and stop being a fool.

Thu, 09/13/2012 - 18:00

#97

Byas

So, dear Mikman tell me what

So, dear Mikman tell me what they did about people who abused the UV tickets compensations, about the shard's test feedback that they completely ignored (about it's mechanics/power, not even entering the fact that they don't even look like the old shards and that we discussed why the dev's reason for removing it was flawed and still got not a single comment about it) and the stun bug. Answer me that unless you are another fool who's trying to use a thing that may be or not be about making up for mistakes to make a point, pull your head out of your arse and stop being a fool. ;)

Thu, 09/13/2012 - 17:52

#98

Serell

....

Actually I got Nick to acknowledge the Stun bug, I'll see if I can pull up the thread. But putting Stun on the RSS and acknowledging that Stun was broken was not a good idea... I mean, they could easily take Stun off of it and give it a temporary damage boost while they work on fixing it....

Thu, 09/13/2012 - 17:52

#99

Doctorspacebar

@Will

Whoooooops. Was gonna say something and forgot to finish the thought. Sorry.

Tell Halt he's late, we need some proper Ranger gear, for the nice Gun CTR bonus and MSI, and we need someone to show us Spiralians (Isorans? Kora mentions a planet called "Isora" in an early mission)how to make it.

Thu, 09/13/2012 - 17:53

#100

Acck

The point is.....

Stun bug has been known for over a year.
Recent bomb update applied stun to an item that did not previously have stun.

So is there some reason any of you "programmers" can come up with that makes this a reasonable patch?

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