I hate the new one.

I'm not sure either of us knows what that last sentence you posted means, but I shall answer nonetheless.

That you think the new shard bombs are a mistake is merely your opinion. I'm not sure why looking like the old shard bombs is relevant. It's mechanics are fine. Its power is not great I'll agree to that. The dev's reason for removing the bomb was because they didn't like the way in which the old mechanics were abused. If you can't read between the lines, you've a lot to learn in life.

The stun bug has been acknowledged as Serell has stated.

Seeing as you have failed to address my post, I assume that you agree to using hyperbole, and that your earlier statement is indeed false.

That you think the new shard bombs are a mistake is merely your opinion.
Mine plus a portion of the forums by the looks of it, but go on.

I'm not sure why looking like the old shard bombs is relevant.
Maybe because they deleted the whole line instead of actually fixing it? It would be fine if it was a new line instead of taking the old one's place.

It's mechanics are fine. Its power is not great I'll agree to that.
Aside from giving a bugged status to it, disappearing shards and a very long time between the first and "seconds" explosions, yeah it's fine.

The dev's reason for removing the bomb was because they didn't like the way in which the old mechanics were abused. If you can't read between the lines, you've a lot to learn in life.

Quote from Nick's post:
Currently, shard-style bombs create a series of bullets on detonation, effectively acting like a handgun attack in multiple directions. [...] The current shard-style bombs are functionally, not very bomb-like. They are the standouts in the system we’ve tried to build whereby: guns fire bullets, bombs create areas of damage, and swords do a mix of the two.
It looks like you are reading too much between the lines, it was pretty clear that they didn't like the projectiles and think that bombers should only do AoE while other classes can have a choice.

The stun bug has been acknowledged as Serell has stated.
And that's a great thing, but why add a bugged feature to a new weapon (new shards)? It doesn't look like they did anything other than say they know about it for people to stop raging (pretty much like what they did in the old shard's thread).

Also, you didn't say anything about the following:
- UV tickets compensations;
- The shard's test feedback that they completely ignored;

So... Seeing as you have failed to address my post, I assume that you agree with me, and that your earlier statement is indeed false.

Dear OOO, i love what you did with the shard bombs and the dark retribution ;D

These are the other weapons that i think should be buffed:
Beast Basher
Big Beast Basher
Brandish
Cautery Sword
Iceburst Brandish
Blizzbrand
Needler
Glacius
Fireburst Brandish
Blazebrand
Combuster
Nightblade
Silent Nightblade
Acheron
Shockburst Brandish
Boltbrand
Voltedge
Calibur
Tempered Calibur
Cold Iron Carver
Cold Iron Vanquisher
Ascended Calibur
Leviathan Blade
Portal Gun
Cutter
Striker
Vile Striker
Dread Venom Striker
Hunting Blade
Wild Hunting Blade
Hot Edge
Master Sword
Searing Edge
Flourish
Swift Flourish
Grand Flourish
Final Flourish
Rigadoon
Daring Rigadoon
Fearless Rigadoon
Echo of Sausage
Flamberge
Fierce Flamberge
Furious Flamberge
Robo Wrecker
Rugged Robo Wrecker
Sealed Sword
Avenger
Divine Avenger
Faust
Gran Faust
Snarble Barb
Twisted Snarble Barb
Dark Thorn Blade
Barbarous Thorn Blade
.38 Special
Spur
Arc Razor
Winmillion
Gwenmillion (5 star spur)
Slime Slasher
Super Slime Slasher
Static Edge
Shocking Edge
Troika
Kamarin
Khorovod
Sudaruska
Grintovec
Jalovec
Triglav
Gravity Hammer
Plasma Sword
Captain America's Shield
Antigua
Silversix
Argent Peacemaker
Blackhawk
Sentenza
Autogun
Pepperbox
Fiery Pepperbox
Volcanic Pepperbox
Toxic Needle
Blight Needle
Plague Needle
Needle Shot
Strike Needle
Blitz Needle
"Force of Nature"
Blaster
Super Blaster
Master Blaster
Valiance
Golden Gun
Catalyzer
Industrial Catalyzer
Volatile Catalyzer
RPG
Neutralizer
Rail Gun
Toxic Catalyzer
Virulent Catalyzer
Biohazard
Cryotech Alchemer
Cryotech Alchemer Mk II
Cryo Driver
Hail Driver
Your Eternal Reward
Firotech Alchemer
Firotech Alchemer Mk II
Firo Driver
Magma Driver
Sharpened Volcano Fragment
Magnus
Mega Magnus
Iron Slug
Callahan
Prismatech Alchemer
Prismatech Alchemer Mk II
Prisma Driver
Nova Driver
Pyrovision Goggles
Pulsar
Heavy Pulsar
Radiant Pulsar
Assault Rifle
Brute Shot
Supernova
Kilowatt Pulsar
Gigawatt Pulsar
Polaris
AK47
Shadowtech Alchemer
Shadowtech Alchemer Mk II
Shadow Driver
Umbra Driver
Voltech Alchemer
Voltech Alchemer Mk II
Volt Driver
Storm Driver
Blast Bomb
Super Blast Bomb
Master Blast Bomb
Nitronome
Big Angry Bomb
Irontech Bomb
Irontech Destroyer
Deconstructor
Heavy Deconstructor
Graviton Charge
Graviton Bomb
Graviton Vortex
9 Iron
Electron Charge
Electron Bomb
Electron Vortex
Dark Matter Bomb
Super Dark Matter Bomb
Heavy Dark Matter Bomb
Deadly Dark Matter Bomb
Confetti
Rock Salt Bomb
Ionized Salt Bomb
Shocking Salt Bomb
Crystal Bomb
Super Crystal Bomb
Heavy Crystal Bomb
Deadly Crystal Bomb
Shard Bomb
Super Shard Bomb
Heavy Shard Bomb
Deadly Shard Bomb
The Jempire
Splinter Bomb
Super Splinter Bomb
Heavy Splinter Bomb
Deadly Splinter Bomb
Plasma Grenades
Stickybomb Launcher
Sun Shards
Radiant Sun Shards
Scintillating Sun Shards
Haze Bomb
Haze Bomb Mk II
Haze Burst
Stagger Storm
Fiery Vaporizer
Fiery Vaporizer Mk II
Fiery Atomizer
Ash of Agni
Freezing Vaporizer
Freezing Vaporizer Mk II
Freezing Atomizer
Shivermist Buster
Toxic Vaporizer
Toxic Vaporizer Mk II
Toxic Atomizer
Venom Veiler
Spine Cone
Twisted Spine Cone
Spike Shower
Dark Briar Barrage
Static Capacitor
Lightning Capacitor
Plasma Capacitor
Voltaic Tempest

TY for your consideration <69

P.S. I have a Man-Crush on Shoebox

Oh i am, but Shoebox is so much more suave, and that meddling Teenager doesn't get in my way every time i try and get to Shoebox.

I'm not dumb enough to complain about the dev cycle. I know their team is tiny. I'm not dumb enough to complain about bugs getting into the code (though I certainly will complain about the speed they are fixed at; sorry, but if its game-breaking and can't be fixed in a day, roll the update back until you do have it fixed).

No, what I take issue with is the quality compared to what we used to get. Used the be the promos were of top tier quality. Now the odds are screwy and are basically worthless. the last one that was actually fair was the love aura promo.

The game used to be a game where you could access everything in the game for free if you worked at it long enough. It was not Pay to Win or even obtain. Only Pay to Rush. I would promote the game to friends and people I know because of that. But then we got OCH stuck behind a paywall. No way to use CE to buy it unless you happen to have Steam or some such nonsense (note that I use Steam; I just acknowledge that not everyone does). And even then, it's certainly not an in-game way; it's done entirely through Steam. As such, I've stopped all advertising. I can no longer truthfully say what I used to.

OOO doesn't stop exploits when they have forewarning that abuse is gonna happen. They'd rather do... nothing, I guess. Too much effort to stop it. Sure, there's little in the way of a tangible benefit from stopping it, but it would show they cared about the integrity of the game.

Sure, they've done good things (missions), but the good does not nullify the bad. The bad is still bad, and it used to be that the bad wasn't there. I guess OOO just doesn't care about keeping the bad out anymore. Phoning it in in areas is OK with them as long as they're making money. A pity.

"Serell,

One-shotting things took little skill, lets be honest."

If that's the only thing you got out of reading my post, I'm not going to even bother. C'mon, like oneshotting with the blitz is harder? The blitz only has to be right next to them to one-shot, the RSS had to be directly underneath.

Disappearing shards was intended. If you read Nick's post in the test server
It just take away it's purpose (using in small places) but sure, it was intended to suck at everything then. :)

It still seems you cannot read between the lines.
Then show me where they said it and how, as I showed you that it was pretty clear that they didn't like bombers doing anything other than AoE.

stun. What would you have them do?
Not using it until it was fixed, like any thinking creature would do? I don't know maybe it's just my common sense tingling, you know.

Not say anything? They are working on it. If you can prove they are not then you have an arguement.
Well, only the devs can answer it. But it looks like that when they still use it into new weapons even after acknowledging the bug nor care about taking it away from weapons/monsters until it's fixed.

UV tickets fiasco. I agree that people should be punished for exploiting the bug. Maybe they were? Do you know if they were or were not? If they were would you as a company go around boasting that you reprimanded/punished those players? No.
They weren't. I know people who abused it and said that nothing happened to them. Also, there would probably be some threads from whining abusers saying that it wasn't fair with them.

Shard bomb test server feedback. I agree that some of the feedback could have been implemented. Not much else to say really except that maybe OOO felt the bomb is ok as is (not something I agree with, but that doesn't make it a mistake).
They also felt ok with spamming UV tickets, not everything they think it's right and making an underpowered bomb with crappy mechanics is a mistake (even more if take in count that they took away one of the most loved bombs to replace it with this).

I didn't respond to those parts of your post, but that doesn't make my earlier statement incorrect.
Just like you can't assume that I'm wrong for using an hyperbole.

PS: your link is broken.
It isn't a link, I mistook the a> tag with the em> tag. :S

EDIT: I forgot one thing:

I'm not sure either of us knows what that last sentence you posted means, but I shall answer nonetheless.
Just changing your words a little, look:

So unless you are another fool who's trying to use hyperbole to make a point, pull your head out of your arse and stop being a fool.

But as you talked about the new danger mission being available for a whole week as they trying to "fix" their mistake I simply told you that it may or may not be related to their past mistakes as they could have simply decided to do it with no relation to the past at all. Sorry if you couldn't understand it. :)

Answer me that unless you are another fool who's trying to use a thing that may be or not be about making up for mistakes to make a point, pull your head out of your arse and stop being a fool. ;)

Since when was its purpose to be used in small spaces?

I'm not sure you understand the concept of reading in between the lines.

Honestly, I don't feel stun is that broken as to remove it from current weapons and monsters. And if they are intending to fix stun anyway it would be odd to leave the current RSS status-less (ie. inferior to the piercing shard bomb in every manner).

UV tickets: Ok they were 100% in the wrong there, if what you say is true.

I never said you were wrong for using hyperbole, only a fool.

EDIT: yes I understood you were changing my words. The changes you made didn't really make sense. So you're saying they just decided out of the blue to make these changes? Or do you have some other reason they made the changes?

Eltia,

If you're spamming the bombs, that obviously requires skill. There is a degree of skill in using the new shard bombs effectively.

Since when was its purpose to be used in small spaces?
Since when it takes so long to explode that the enemies would have already gotten away if you aren't in a small place.

I'm not sure you understand the concept of reading in between the lines.

read between the lines
Fig. to infer something (from something else); to try to understand what is meant by something that is not written explicitly or openly. After listening to what she said, if you read between the lines, you can begin to see what she really means. Don't believe every thing you read literally. Learn to read between the lines.

And that's why I asked you to show us where in the text it could be interpreted like that because I really can't see anything besides that they don't like projectiles on bombs.... As it was pretty clear on my last post, now I'm the one who isn't sure if you know what it means.

Honestly, I don't feel stun is that broken as to remove it from current weapons and monsters.
Neither do I but it was an example as to how to show that they are doing something.

And if they are intending to fix stun anyway it would be odd to leave the current RSS status-less (ie. inferior to the piercing shard bomb in every manner).
Not status-less but with another status (or even status-less until they actually fix stun), choosing to use the bugged status over all the others is kind of a foolish thing.

yes I understood you were changing my words. The changes you made didn't really make sense. So you're saying they just decided out of the blue to make these changes? Or do you have some other reason they made the changes?
I'm saying that just like you don't have proof that it was related neither do I that it wasn't. So yes, it could have been out of the blue for all we know they never said that they were wrong and decided to fix it.

I never said you were wrong for using hyperbole, only a fool.

Seeing as you have failed to address my post, I assume that you agree to using hyperbole, and that you're earlier statement is indeed false.

EDIT: They took away half my tickets....
Well, you posted that you had obtained 4814584 tickets on the forums and with a screenshot if they didn't do anything at least with you then they could be declared [buckets]. It still doesn't change the fact that the ones who rage crafted less and didn't post it openly in the forums have gone unpunished.

I know how you guys feel. I have noticed that the patches (other than the danger missions, really the small so called "bugfixes"). Of COURSE the devs knew that the new RSS sucks. It is obvious, and the tickets were almost like bribes so that people complain less. No devs have ever commented on the crappiness of the new RSS, because there is nothing nice to say about it. Stun is so ****** up, and that should have been patched long ago. Promises of content that never came is a pain. Where is that tortodrone? That was a year ago when Nick said they will come back. What about the Seerus Exspansion that Nick PROMISED the f2players would have soon. It has been MONTHS, MONTHS now since THAT was promised. Devs keep silent about what is coming out, and when the patches do come it is sour and useless. I wish I knew what was happening.

However, I feel that the Guild Hall upgrades are going to be a good patch, and I know that you will ALL shut up about your woes in this game and just fawn over the devs and say how awesome they are. So tiring...

EDIT: Razordash, Guild hall upgrades will make or break this game. i just do not know if I should take any side for that bet...

Sometimes you read between the lines by considering both ones actions and words. In this case its the fact that their actions don't match their words. Their reason had several flaws, as both you and I know. If we accept that OOO isn't stupid, then the logical conclusion is that they aren't telling us the real reason for the change. From there, judging by how they changed the bomb and OOO's past history with a similar sort of change, I inferred that they were not pleased with the mechanics of the bomb.

I don't see how an overboard removal of stun is an example of a positive thing to do.

That last statement should have been an 'or' not an 'and'. Nevertheless I'll concede that point, considering that the whole argument was over semantics. Unless you actually believe that OOO never acts and acknowledges their mistakes.

they broke our RSS. Even if they wanted to change it to the shard bomb style, it was lazy, obtuse, and idiotic to make it into pure pierce (when i simple survey question on the forums would have concluded with 95% accuracy that its used for its elem properties). It was a criminal bait and switch, especially for those of us who spent big money on top-teir UVs, and its insulting and condescending that they suggest a UV ticket is adequate or appropriate compensation for them ruining a bomb i paid 15-20k ce for.

They know its complete BS.
I know its complete BS.
You know its complete BS.
Everyone knows its complete BS.

Only difference is they don't care. (and obviously neither do you, or you wouldn't pretend not to know what people are talking about.)
It was the ultimate slap in the face. And then they slapped us again when they respond with stupid condescending responses: "[acknowldedge the issue]....[acknowledge your right to be upset]....[give insincere apology].....[tell you its impossible]....[scarecrow reason why]....[tell you to go pound sand, nicely]"

Its just wrong. A little common sense and effort would have concluded that the only fair thing to do was offer us a choice of the elem line or peirce line when it changed--keeping UVs. Simple, easy, fair, smart.

Sometimes you read between the lines by considering both ones actions and words. In this case its the fact that their actions don't match their words. Their reason had several flaws, as both you and I know. If we accept that OOO isn't stupid, then the logical conclusion is that they aren't telling us the real reason for the change. From there, judging by how they changed the bomb and OOO's past history with a similar sort of change, I inferred that they were not pleased with the mechanics of the bomb.
Although I can't see a reason for them to hide it I see your point now, thanks. :)

I don't see how an overboard removal of stun is an example of a positive thing to do.
It was just an example on how to show that they really are working on it, but not putting a bugged status on new weapons until it was fixed would be the better way (there are so many status that could have been put in place of stun).

I think everyone will like it, but it will not live up to everyones expectations. Everyone has different ideas of what it should be like, so others will love it and others will hate.

Note that the GMs or Devs never actually respond to questions like that, because they have a policy of "if there is nothing nice to say...."

It's alright Venomous, I don't open my wallet for people that can't be bothered.

Magnificent. Very magnificent.

Keep it going so people would just flip everything Three Rings have.

So much hatred. So much despair!

*cough*

I cannot say that Three Rings is at their movement to bandaid the problems that we have. Instead, they try to suprise us by getting new stuffs, like Spectator Mode!(love ye guys, thanks) And more danger missions. :33

But hey, developers, if ye don't want yer community driven insane just because of something 'not quite' answered and not satisfied to the community about the things ye have changed few months ago, they won't be happy. Thus, everyone in here isn't going to throw their money to support yer company because of unanswered questions and beliefs. I advise that ye developers should pause and postpone yer future updates about Guild Hall(but i think it's on it's way soon since the groundbreaker knights are working so hard) and stuffs, and fix the holes of what is undone from our community's demands. Or, we'll love ye if ye can make it both happen, that's twice the happiness people can get! Or thrice!

It's okay if ye're not listening to us, but the community would be droven out and find something else to play on. It is already great that ye have made yer moves slowly and steady for future updates, but don't leave bad holes behind that affects some of the followers to fall. Especially those who are really close.

For the community, we should really have more patience to wait it happen, actually. Persuading them will stress our game masters and developers. Don't do that. :x

... or they might flip their tables like us do. D:

Oh dear, we have a predicament the long time fans of SK and OOO and the not-so hardcore fans that actually want change. This thread is receiving a lot of attention and for good reason. We've been losing a lot of the old beta players, which is a major loss for the community, and it's mostly always because the lack of major content updates, I mean danger missions are fun but, we haven't had any major content added. And for those of that say that danger missions and OCH are major content updates, in my opinion, and let me reiterate MY OPINION these aren't major content, we could go throughout the whole game without playing any of these levels and yet still have a full grasp of the SK storyline. Besides OCH contradicts the whole "free to play" aspect of the game. I honestly would like to see some new content, and I mean something relating to the swarm, crimson order, or the core. I think both sides have their arguments but I think we need new content and OOO just totally was reckless with nerfing the shards. I think this is bad since this tears up the community, which pleases no one. I wonder if OOO will say anything new about major outcry of distress from the majority of the community.

The end is near! http://media.spiralknights.com/wiki-images/7/73/5thedit.jpg
You guys are silly.

PS: Oh wow you got Eury riled up! I have to say, as a low tier game developer myself, that the dev cycle is awfully slow at OOO. The reason behind this is a mystery though. Maybe they should hire more people if they have bottlenecks and can afford to?

PS2: I do miss too the original concept behind the game (an ever changing world with such and such!), which has been getting streamlined into a generic MMO stuff with missions and such after release. Hardly anyone plays the gates anymore.

the latest patch aint half bad, we get to watch a certain guild using a booster guild to stack points. god, i m luving it

WTF am i reading????

All of you people have issues. You guys are not even making sense anymore... Yet I gets warnings in forums and get kicked out of haven for no legit reason, but you guys don't. LoL

took the words right out of my mouth... U_U

The Mighty Cheese Knight doesn't even.

~The Mighty Cheese Knight; WeeGee