Refinement Factory (pilot)
Wed, 10/10/2012 - 12:31
This is a relocation to my main account from my wiki-alt. the original post can be seen Here
First up. What is a suggestion?
You probably said idea. If you did, you're only getting a fraction of what a suggestion really is.
A suggestion is an idea with thought behind it.
Does it matter? Absolutely.
Why? Because currently the suggestions forum is over run with ideas, and suggestions have become an endangered species.
Too many players visit the suggestions forum only to post an idea, and too few are there to do anything else but.
And those few who used to bother being such avid pursuers of the improvement of Spiral knights have become terrifying, bitter, beasts.
Beasts that have spent so much time trying to contort seemingly endless waves of ideas into suggestions, they have a hard time seeing anything good unless it bashes 'em in the face...and even then they snarl and snap...which usually sends good ideas into hiding, never to see the light of day ever again.
But enough about Luguiru,
(may your bed of shredded dreams always be warm and cozy, your actual accomplishments be remembered. and yes, this is a backhanded compliment)
You're probably wondering, "why bother?"
that or "isn't this a suggestion?"
to answer the second question first...yes, yes it is, but you'll get why this isn't in the suggestions forum by answering the first question.
I pointed out that players only visit the suggestion forum to post suggestions. that's pretty much an absolute. I don't know of many players who actually bother to visit the suggestions forum because they aren't really interested in what they haven't considered...which really is something we've all been guilty of in the first place.
Another factor of that is that with so many ideas being posted, and so few suggestions, whether in the first place or coming from ideas, there really is something of a stagnation with community improvement. yes guildhalls have come about...but take a look at how long it took for that community idea to come to fruition!
Here's what I'm going to do to do my part:
Once a week, I'll post an idea that has been proposed, as well as the first searchable occurrence of said idea, and links to any other relevant occurrences of the idea. (if I miss any, you're welcome to point them out and I will add them to the reference material)
then, over the course of the week you are welcome to comment on the idea.
I will update daily and cliff note the pro's and cons, and at the end of the week, if it seems like the idea is worth pursuing we may do so.
Otherwise, a new idea will be posted and the current one will be bagged, tagged, and filed. (posted on the wiki with links etc.)
Ill refer to these discussions as episodes, simply for fun's sake, and it'll be easier to reference, instead of "that discussion about ban hammers"
You can consider this the pilot episode, so tell me what you think? if you wouldn't pay something like this any mind, then don't. Xp
Otherwise commentary is welcome!
ttfn and ttyl! ciao!
Wed, 10/10/2012 - 15:17
#2
I'm under the impression that you (Azraelwing) are fairly new to the Suggestions forum environment. Nowadays, Luguiru is probably the most active regular there. However, a few months ago, it was I who literally founded a guild just so I could wear the label <Crusher of Dreams> under my IGN as a testament to my activity in Suggestions.
That being said, <Crusher of Dreams> was really only a reference to a few threads in particular. Sure, a lot of my posts in Suggestions may seem harsh, but I can guarantee you that the majority of said posts contain solid reasoning to back my perspective. I stand by my usual statement about how the Suggestions forum is a forum, a place where ideas are to be discussed, and it is inevitable that some people will dislike certain ideas and voice their concerns accordingly.
Contrary to popular belief, I do (did) not destroy every idea that popped into Suggestions. If a good idea ever came up, I would ask questions and reference past threads just as I would for an unrefined idea. If you'd care for some examples, I'll gladly provide.
Since my views on this idea still hold, here's a link to my original post in the original thread.
Wed, 10/10/2012 - 15:58
#3
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@Luguiru : If you actually comprehended, I pointed out that you actually don't hate everything implicitly competent, you just tend to miss some of the finer details. Its like finding geodes. You've gotten tired of gently taping the rock to find the gems. instead you toss in a stick of dynamite and only the diamonds are worth keeping, failing to recognize the damage you cause to other gems. And honestly...not sure why you went off about searching...little left of left field...
@Manalicious-Knight: I cruise the suggestions forum at least once a week. rarely do I post anything though, having been guilty of running scared from Luguiru's tantrums. And, I've been on SK for over a year now. And I have to be honest, it seems like you're trying too hard to be an overzealous critic. if creating a guild just so you can have such a "title", its really rather detrimental to your credibility as a legitimate critic. Anyone can be a dick. But the point of being a critic is to promote development, not stifle it. I'm sure your reasoning is solid from your perspective, but, as with anything, we need to be able to understand multiple perspectives. And then there's the fact that you missed the entire section about how suggestions is only visited by the masses for their own suggestions. I'll rephrase, they don't bother going to suggestions to view other suggestions. So to expect actual refinement in suggestions is, well, ignorant. not saying it doesn't happen. but I don't think you realize on how small a scale it actually occurs. see Guild Halls.
Now, if you two would please realize its not all about you, lets get on to what actually maters. please and thank you.
If anything, you to would be of most assistance in building the folios for each episode, since you have collected so much experience from viewing nearly every suggestion, you should be able to refine your statements into relevant, credible perspectives on each episode. consider it an expert consolation position XD. (although to point out, the details of such a system would need to be worked out elsewhere as that topic is not this topic.)
Wed, 10/10/2012 - 17:37
#4
I'll be there to show support if I think said ideas are sound. If not I'll just dismiss them, check back for rebuttal and walk away, it's what I usually do.
Even if there have already been revolutionary threads such as two-handed swords and a different form of pets which I completely support, apparently I hate everything implicitly competent.
People constantly remind new forum users to search because the forum rules say to search before creating a thread with an old topic. The point of having them search is to read past threads on the same topic to see what people said in the past and whether it applies to the present the same way. The problem is when those people bump those old threads as if they need to prove they searched for it, which is against the forum rules. So by breaking two rules that apparently means they did nothing wrong and deserve none of the hate they receive.