you have the original plans if you did all the misions...

it's just a reskind Leviathan Blade and a reskind Aegis. there are far better weapons and shields though (these are more costume items then actualy usefull just like the Scissor Blades)

and they were given as a gift to making it to the point you where at that moment (ok for beginning players this kind of sucks and for people having this game for a long time probably have 3 Leviathan Blades)

also this is from the discription on the Ascended Honor Blade

"A ceremonial sword issued to Champions of the Spiral order. Though intended for formal occasions, its fine edge makes it suitable for combat use."

Lionheart guild?

Out of curiosity, was that coincidentally already a guild or was it made in honour (or just liking the name) of the Honour gifts?

OOO are not actually obliged to give you free equipment. They just thought it would be a nice gift to commemorate the opening of the new Guild Halls expansion; a sword, a shield and a decoration for your new home. There would probably be a lot less bawwing if they just gave everyone the decoration and left it at that...

Perhaps if you could costume swords and shields then it'd be seen as more valuable equipment.

I dont see people complaining about groundbreaker set or spiral bombheads. The problem here is that OOO gave a real weapon with real damage and real use.

Next time they should stick with costumes -.-

"or spiral bombheads"

Eh, those came out in featured a few months later. Same goes with PAX.

EDIT: You're missing the point, you've been given free stuff, the least people want you to do with it is go 'Cool! I got free stuff!' Figuring out how to make it useful can come later. Not now. Now, you party.

Yep, you can't upgrade this free "crap". Just forget about this.

All people who said that you shouldn't complain about "FREE" stuf just already have their's 5* free stuff.
So they don't want that someone else have them too because of their greediness.

/ughnotthisbaka.

Nem, get back in your cave, really. No-one wants to hear it.

"So they don't want that someone else have them too because of their greediness."

Some people also whine because they feel like they're worth so much more than others and moan that they got lesser gear than some guy he feels is inferior.

@OP What I mean by that is this guy got 3* honour gear and is moaning because a Guild member of the Guild he created got 5* because he didn't meet the requirements.

And by moaning, I mean ragethread about it. See for yourself.

Everyone gets free items and they start complaining that it isn't good enough.....................For vog sake people, be thankful you still GOT SOMETHING. Honestly, at least OOO didn't send us all an echo drop or something. Now that I think about it, maybe it would've been better if they didn't give out anything at all, that way nobody would/will complain

...probably where you lost your comma key[comma] too...

Had to, couldnae help myself! D:...

I guess I'm kind of late on this argument, but my two cents...

I'm one of those who stopped playing SK when they had the new mission/prestige system come out, since we weren't really getting much new content, and I didn't feel like re-doing all the D1-16. I quit I had full 5* gears (DA, Crest of Almire, Armor of the Fallen, Peacemaker, the stuff.) I came back after the email talking about the guild hall update and the new blades, but I get a 2* weapon and shield, whereas I already had an Aegis and leviathan. I wanted the weapon for looks, but well, can't be choosy.

My main complaints are:
A) The weapon CANNOT BE REMOVED. I don't want another weapon and shield clogging up my inventory. I have enough equipment to go through as is. Loadouts help me a lot here, but I can't sell it, can't delete it, whatever. It's downright useless for me and I'd rather not have it collecting dust. I didn't know about this until I after accepted. I would like to be able to remove it.
B) It's not a vanity Item. I understand free items are always nice, but:
All limited edition items as far as I know have been vanity, none have had ACTUAL use other than cosmetic. This is the first weapon/shield that could be used, and is a cooler looking 5* weapon/shield pair. Why not make it a weapon costume or something? There hasn't been a slot for it, but I'm pretty sure one of those wouldn't be too hard and wouldn't cause TOO much confusion. Or the better note is to turn things like rose sets into actual equipment, or guardian armor into a nicer looking spiral plate armor, something like that.

I understand the issue on weapon appearance, maybe just have it apply to that kind of weapon? Or even better is maybe have it so it's like a Lionheart Aura that gives some graphical effect to the weapon. I figured there would be some issues with the whole weapon costumes. But this vanity item isn't a vanity anymore.

Although whichever the case, it's too late to do so now, as retroactively turning costume armour into regular armour would be pretty unfair on anyone who doesn't own the sets, as it'd essentially be giving players free sets of armour.

Isn't that what they are doing with this sword and shield, except giving some players usable ones and some other players unusuable ones? It's pretty unfair to whoever hasn't pushed through all the Missions because you're 5* and you don't ever feel like fighting JK again. Yes, by all means they are giving them all a sword and a shield, but doggone it anyone who doesn't have a lionheart one won't ever touch theirs.

Not at all. For one, they're giving the free gear to everyone for this event, whereas "armourising" the costumes would only be giving the free armour to people who already have those sets.

They're giving free junk (aka nothing) to some and free gear for other. Giving lionheart gear would be giving free weapons to those who have the time + patience to slog through low-reward missions with no real benefits other than a number. I don't see much difference here.

This will also likely increase the sell price of them, creating a further gap, whereas the Honour gear is bound. It would also be equally punishing to players who simply didn't like the appearance of the set, while merchants who have several of them benefit greatly.

Face it, the economy is already hosed. Let the price rocket upwards, they are discontinued for a reason, just as these Lionheart blades are.

The change/reward/bonus would be based upon nothing and simply rewarding players who happened to have chosen specific gears without any indication or warning to the players.
This entire event was simply rewarding players who happened to have chosen to get the right vanguard level. If they have given the option to, say, hold off on accepting it and pick when you want to accept it so they could quickly rush up to the right level, then yeah, it would be different.

However, when missions were released they did announce that there would be prizes awarded based on your rank, so players had notice that deciding to remain at a lower rank would have ramifications. Not to mention that it's generally meant to be encouraged to progress through the "story" and main questline of any MMO, so it is rewarding the specific people who both chose and were able to complete the quests in the game. This is a standard method for rewarding players in any MMO, whereas rewarding them based on their choice of fashions is heavily skewed.

Must have missed that announcement, and even if I did first read that announcement, I would think prizes would be small crown or mist tanks like OOO would normally do. And your argument of basic MMOs? Yeah, doesn't work on Spiral Knights where they limit how much you can play in a single session. Right now I can only do 3 missions a day, even though I cut through em quite easily, simply because I can't afford the luxury of using CE as mist.
Also, this is a one time event that happens ONCE you log in. MMOs would usually have an event time that says "hey, finish this task and you get one of these limited edition never showing up again high end tier item since 5* weapons are essentially worth 50k crowns and about 1460 energy, and they gave out two of em.

Let's be fair; even the people who do have Lionheart won't likely use it much, if ever.

Hokey undead and ancient constructs are no match for a good Leviathan at your side. It's a one-size-fits-all weapon that I would be glad to have a cooler version of for free. I have a Levi, and I love it for playing defensively. Now everyone has a cooler looking one to match their cooler looking aegis which I happen to have one as well.

Nem, are you high or something? Because seriously, I could swear you lack a basic education in life and probably be right.

"And because Psychodestroyer - idiot kid, Forum-Brady - greedy kid. I learned that in my thread."

The only thing you 'learned' in your thread was how to not carry out an argument. Here's a recap:

Step one: Rage like a baby.
Step two: Call everyone who disagrees with you a kid.
Step three: Make no legitimate argument in your defense.
Step four: Instead continue insulting people having no-idea what you're on about yourself.
Step five: When in doubt, IRONY!

Seerusly, you're greedier than any other name you could think to mention.

"I already explained all this, but most of them don't want to face the truth, they prefer not to say why but attack my personality, because they affraid."

Pff, pure, untainted irony. You're not even negating arguments, you just go 'You are not woth my tim kiddo go back to your kindergarten LOLOL'.

Sounds familiar...

Nemezis, while I come from a similar situation from yours and can sympathize with you, I don't agree that taking the offensive in a flame war accomplishes things...

@Tisiphone:
-They're giving free junk (aka nothing) to some and free gear for other. Giving lionheart gear would be giving free weapons to those who have the time + patience to slog through low-reward missions with no real benefits other than a number. I don't see much difference here.
The difference is that whether you think the missions are pointless or not, they are an integral part of the game (as any questline is in any MMO) and OOO is trying to encourage players to do it, and has announced rewards for doing so.
Collecting fashions is a side-option, and not important to the game at all and something that many people feel just as boring and pointless as you see missions to be. Giving out rewards for that would be akin to rewarding people for using Hipster weapons or punishing Skolver clones. It is absolutely not the same thing. Just because you don't enjoy missions or think they're worth it does not detract from their important in the game.

-Face it, the economy is already hosed. Let the price rocket upwards, they are discontinued for a reason, just as these Lionheart blades are.
Something's broken, so your idea is to smash it further because "why not?" instead of trying to fix it? Luckily, not everyone has this mindset.

-MMOs would usually have an event time that says "hey, finish this task and you get one of these limited edition
That announcement that you missed was the notice. Giving people a weeks notice that you're going to be rewarded based on your current rank entirely defeats the point. The idea is to reward people based on how much they've achieved thus far. To give a day or twos notice would cripple that concept as everyone would rush it just for the reward. People who admittedly do not care about missions or ignore them do not deserve a reward that is being given specifically for paying attention to missions and playing them. Giving notice would allow such people an opportunity to rush the missions and "cheat" the prize. It wasn't meant as a free gift for everyone to just have, like the Hallow event; it was meant as a gift for the people who play missions. If you didn't, you lose out. Simple as that.

-This entire event was simply rewarding players who happened to have chosen to get the right vanguard level.
As above. Keep in mind that OOO are encouraging you to play missions. They're not encouraging you to collect fashions. If you choose to ignore something they're actively encouraging and rewarding you for, then you have no right to complain when you miss out on said rewards.
I'd be using the vice versa argument if OOO didn't care about missions and were actively trying to convince people to collect Regalia sets.
The important factor is that OOO wants you to do it, and they have said they will reward you for doing so. You don't have to do it, but you don't get the rewards if you don't.
It'd be like complaining that you don't have 45k prestige, but then saying you never do missions or the dailies. Why should you get it?

-Hokey undead and ancient constructs are no match for a good Leviathan at your side
I know some people use Levis, but the vast majority of the population never does. It was intended as a vanity/memento item, as even implied in the description of the weapon and the very fact that it can't be upgraded. It's nice to get a free 5*, but it's not meant to be a "weapon" reward as much as a vanity reward. That you can, as a bi-product, use.
I do feel for the Levi fans that would have used it regularly and never got it, as they would have made up some of the small portion of the community that will actually put the swords to use in game, however if they didn't get it by ignoring the missions, then I don't sympathise at all.

@Nemezis:
Nowhere on your thread did you try to be polite. You've done nothing but trolling and flaming and are blatantly ignoring everything being said to you, as well as seeming to utterly misunderstand what greedy actually means.
If you'd kindly read this post (or hell, any post I've ever made to you regarding this) I clearly explain why you do not deserve it, as you've openly admitted that you chose to ignore the mission system and didn't care about it. The rewards were not directed at people who chose to ignore it. They were directed at people who participated. I participated, I finished it, as encouraged, so I got a reward. It wasn't out of greed, it was just me playing the content of the game. If I had ignored a massive section of the game that the developers are encouraging me to play, then I would not deserve a reward aimed specifically at people who did play it, either.

I'm not sure how I could be more clear on the matter, but I don't think it'd matter if I could, because you're not reading this anyways, you're probably just already typing up "kid", "childrens", "greedy" and trying to think of another forum rule to break.
So, to that end, I'm done discussing this with you until you convince me that you're willing to talk rationally and with some maturity, as well as cease the flaming against myself and others that have been incredibly patient with you, as my patience is now gone.

Tough shmuff, whining like a spoiled brat because you didn't get the toy you wanted is just plain childish.

"So every man on my place wold acting like me or worse."

Ah, no.

You said all what I wanted to say.
Totally agree.

Psychodestroyer
Will you shut up kiddo, or you will continue to bear rambling nonsense like a "spoiled brat"?

"Seriously."

-Unfortunately, missions were never an integral part of the game.
Snarby was never a part of the game either, until they added it. Fact is that missions are a part of the game now; they're right in the centre of it, designed to guide new players (as a story) and they are encouraging doing them. Vast rewards, prestige and the promise of rank-based rewards. This feels less fulfilling for players who were around before they were introduced, but what are you gunna' do? Should they just never introduce them at all? They can't make missions designed for new players to be interesting to vet players, but that's just life. They're adding it for the entire game and all it's players to come, not just the vets.

-should have given all 5* ers complete Vanguard level since we technically already did it all, or give us an option to skip it.
That much I agree on, but it isn't relevant to this discussion since they didn't do that. Like it or not, we have to do the missions to get the Vanguard; and they want us to participate in it. Again, if you choose to ignore it, that's fine, but you have to deal with losing out on the rewards.

- and being "forced" to do missions that don't really give you much benefit
Don't do them then. But that's like complaining that you don't have a Voltedge when you refuse to participate in PvP. They're encouraging missions, not making you do it, and the rewards are mostly vanity, so you don't need to do them. The option is yours, but if you choose not to do them, then you choose not to receive the reward that is given for doing them.

-Sorry, but they do encourage us to collect fashions
Not in nearly the same way. They put fashions in the game so we can, if we want to. That's it. They never do anything else. You don't get rewards, prizes nor attention from OOO by collecting fashions.
Missions, however, reward you with recipes, prestige, items. They're already rewarding you by doing it, and then on top of that they announce "Hey, we will be giving our more rewards to the players who play missions!". That is encouraging us to do something. Fashions are a side-interest, something else to do. OOO doesn't care if we collect fashions or not. OOO wants us to do missions.

-Except they aren't actively encouraging it
As above. If you don't feel encouraged to do so, that doesn't change the fact that they're trying. Hit up the suggestions thread and suggest a way to make them more fun. Although make sure to keep it balanced so that new players don't get too much from the rewards intended for vets replaying (keep in mind that that breed is dying out, as most vets have finished them by nor, or decided not to, whereas every new player from now on has missions from day 1).
Or just suggest allowing a "skip mission" option.

-Making it more useful won't change it's worth in relativity.
For very rare/expensive sets, then aye you're right. Adding Ironmight stats onto that will be a fraction of a cost more. For other sets it may affect the price more. I accept this point, however; I was commenting on the price just as an additional reason against it. The main reason I think retroactively adding stats is unfair is purely because it would be giving out free armour for no cause or reason. They've said they want us to do missions and will reward us for doing so; they've not said anything of the sort about reward playings simply for happening to own some costumes.

-I feel like we're slowly approaching the whole "missions are flawed" argument, [+last paragraph]
Missions are flawed maybe (although personally, I feel that they're a vast improvement to the game, for the new players), but that's neither here nor there. As for the rest of what you said, I concede with you on that (although I'm not sure where we get "charged crowns" for playing missions?). I understand the disinterest in missions as a Vet, but you have to understand that the same logic far from applies to newer players. Without such rewards, then newer players would have one less reason to do missions. If they're like you and don't see the fun, this will only further discourage them being played. The offer of rewards helps encourage new players to rank up and get to the later stages as well.
As for Vets and the Lionheart stuff...well, they're not giving out the prizes based on your gear or level of advancement in the game, they're giving it out based entirely on whether or not you participate in missions. I accept that there will be situations and people who fall in awkward categories and are get the short end of the stick, but it's an MMO with thousands of players; no matter what they do there will always be a group that suffers unfortunately. They just went with a blanket rule: "complete more missions, get a better reward." I think keeping it simple is the best thing to do, as the more rules and exceptions that get added, the more complicated it becomes and the more people will surely try to cheat the system. Right now, no one can argue or cheat it. You didn't play the missions? You don't get the reward, simple as that.

Although back on-topic, I maintain that it's certainly not the same thing to reward players for simply happening to own certain costume pieces. They may as well just randomly mail out free armour to players for all the fairness that'd be. At least with the Honour gear, people had ahead warning and a choice in the matter whether or not to participate.

"Not negating arguments, insulting people, moaning like a spoiled child, ironically calling other people spoiled children..."
How good you described your spoiled behaviour.

So you decided to "continue to bear rambling nonsense like a "spoiled brat"".
Well it's your wish to "making a fool of yourself".

-We get messages like "BUY THE GUARDIAN SET NOW!" instead of "DO ALL THE MISSIONS NOW!"
Okay, you've got me on that one! They do encourage fashions to a degree, but keep in mind that promos like that are intended to sell the CE and other goodies, while using things like fashions as a method to encourage purchasing the package, and less about specifically encouraging players to collect as many fashions as possible.

Anyhoo, back to the off-topic part of our discussion (which is actually back on-topic for the main thread :D....)

I'm not sure where to find the link as I was on hiatus when all this came out, and I saw it when someone else linked it on a thread in which I've utterly forgotten now. It may be on one of the recent debate threads. However, I did a quick search to try and find it, and I did find this by accident:

"Knights with high prestige will earn a special bonus in the future."

Just for when they hand out rewards for 45k and people say it was also "a sudden surprise"~

But you're right, we've kinda hit an impasse here, because I feel that the "suddenness" was an integral part of giving a rank-based reward. Giving people time to react essentially defeats the point (as described here) since I think that letting people know ahead of time allows the people who just don't care about missions time to jump on them and "cheat" the system.
But you don't feel that so...

Well, there's not really much else to be said on the matter, I don't think. Ultimately, our opinions matter only so much, as long as we've voiced them on the forums; OOO will decide what they want they want to do. Hopefully they're keeping an eye on these topics and seeing everyone's point of view at least, there've been some interesting debates for both sides of it, I feel :)

He's right, Pyscho, call it a day and save yourself the stress. You're not getting anywhere and intelligent discussion has long since ended; no need to see another flamewar starting, we've had enough of them in the past week.

Feel free to weigh in on my/Tisiphone's discussion if you have anything to add that either of us haven't considered. Maybe you know where to find the link that I can't?

I am right and you are not. Here is only two trolls you and that psycho.
So you should think twice before calling someone troll.
You was the one who spoiled my thread by trolling and made a mess there.
Your attempts to sound like an adult are so fake.

Free tip for you two: [Link removed - please do not link to pages with offensive language]

Honor Shield and Sword for Decor. They're pretty and will make your Knight pretty if you doll it up a bit. Kinda.

They're free, but unupgradable. However, the Cobalt set mirrors those weapons, and are relatively cheap and easy to obtain the recipes.

@NemezisOfMoreThanOneForumer
Yo. Plz stop the hate. You can destroy the cycle by ending it at you. Ain't yo fault? Wutever. No one will win this blame-game-name-shame.
Thanks for your cooperation.