They didn't exist.

"Something has riled up the gremlins in the Clockworks, causing them to send out even the littlest ankle-biters of the bunch to join their front lines! A new series of levels called 'Gremlin Grounds' will now appear in the Clockworks. New gremlin monsters will now appear in Gremlin Grounds and missions."

There was a gremlin version of mechanized mile that was basically indistinguishable from construct mechanized mile.

TOTAL LIES? LOL dude all u have to do is read this thread to see you dont listen and you dont know anything..... I met you 2 YEARS ago. How have you ?not learned a single thing in this game in 2 years? Its amazing. You suck GREAVERS ARE EASY!

Lol....guys,.....just realized something.

Is bata trolling us? I think so. Nobody can go this long and still suck at fighting greavers, especially with all the suggestions.

/applaud

Awesome trollwork, couldnt have done it better myself. :D

Epic troll is epic

Here's the video:
http://youtu.be/B_vqa82PWYc

No UVs, no damage bonus and no trinkets with a toothpick. If you can't do it just practise, if you still can't... then you're certainly not good at this game.

If it's the song name you're asking for; it's Elan by Secret Garden.

"1. Well they practically DO. I have yet to find any item that lets me beat the 12-wave of greavers without dying. Assuming I don't throw a ton of money at the game to get max uvs and trinkets and a maskeraith."

I thought this was concerning anything but Greavers. Gonna cover this in #6.

"2. That has no reasoning behind it so I don't feel the need to continue this."

Because there's no way in the world you should believe it. I can sidestep Wolvers as much as I want; giving them 5x HP won't make them more difficult. I can counterattack and dash away from Gorgoes as much as I have to, and giving them 5x HP won't make them harder to deal with. I can peck Mecha Knights with safe attacks all I want, and giving them 5x HP won't make them more challenging. All it does is slow an otherwise fast game down to frustratingly boring paces. It's also why people hate the Roarmulus Twins so much; you can dodge them forever but nobody wants to wait five minute to be able to hit them.

It's bad, boring design, and it should never be used to balance out a game. The only exception to this is the bonus health things get in parties, and I don't think I need to explain that one.

"4. It happens. There's always a fraction of luck involved, no matter what your strategy is."

That fraction of luck never affects me. Ever. Usually, I end up getting hit because I have no patience; for instance, I might take a chance that can end up putting me in a situation where I'll be punished, just for the sake of speeding things up (like meleeing a charging Mecha Knight in the belief that I can flinch it before it can spin-attack me, or meleeing a Thwacker at all with their random spins).

"5. Oops. Regardless, it's just more stuff to get in the way, and it's really hard to dodge one thing without getting hit by another. In fact, the slowness almost makes it worse because it's in the way longer instead of just disappearing quickly."

That's like saying Wolvers, even when they're mixed with other enemies, are a threat. (They aren't.)

"6. I never use shivermist on vana. I don't even own one. And all of vana's attacks are slow and easily telegraphed. The exact opposite of greavers. No amount of "thinking ahead" seems to help against greavers, as I have proven with many different loadouts."

I think it's a great example because the timeframes in which you're stuck attacking and when Vanaduke is attacking are way more stretched out than in normal play. You can apply the same decisions in regular play- "If I attack this Mecha Knight and stay close to it, it might use more than its first slash, so I should hit it back with the first swing of my hammer and wait a moment before dashing into it. With my other weapons, I should shield-cancel and back off, just in case." Does that make sense to you? It does to me.

"No amount of thinking ahead seems to help against greavers," Doesn't for you, does for everyone who's posted a video using bombs against them. They attack predictably and are consistently flinched, and you have a ~1 second grace period before they actually launch their attack. "...as I have proven with many different loadouts" Proven what? That you can't play the game as well as other people who've posted videos?

"8. Gorgos and kats aren't hard to predict in terms of attacks (they only have two different each), but they are extremely difficult to predict in movement. Especially kats, which tend to use both attacks (which are hard to tell apart) equally, whereas gorgos almost never use their "stomp" attack, which is very easy to avoid anyway. The difficulty with mechas comes from the fact that, besides having 4 different attacks (3 of which occur simultaneously), they also rarely stop moving, even though you can gradually outrun them. They're persistent. And their sword attacks have absurd and misleading range (they "lurch" into you just when you think you're safe)"

Kats can be influenced to use certain attacks depending on how you position yourself, and their predictable movement with their bites actually lets you run right past them and whiff their attack. Gorgoes consistently move side-to-side in a way that, albeit tough to memorize (and even tougher to put to use), can be predicted. If you time your swings right, you can knock them away and hit them at the same time when they try to bite you.

Mechas move in predictable, abusable patterns that effectively screams at you "use a bomb against me, i'm grouping myself up just for you to obliterate", as opposed to other enemies that might spread out more (either making it harder to hit them all at once, or by making it very dangerous to get close enough to do so). Their attacks are what make you decide on-the-spot what you should be doing, if you're using swords. Delaying your own attacks or flinching them before they can use their own, for example.

Look. We have been telling you ways to handle this you find a way to disagree with us so there is no point seeing as you DON'T LISTEN. If you wanna complain and make OOO nerf greavers which will piss off more people then it pleases then go to support. Also, greavers are elite for a reason. They are meant to be hard which they are not.
Also did I mention that most enemies have been nerfed so much like wolvers. They are such a joke that the only way to die in those places is to lag a lot. Fiends are the only smart class of monsters. The only one that actually dodges corectly and attacks when you are off guard. Did I mention that delivites chance of attacking when shielding is lower? Fascinating isn't it? This is what the game needs. Also fiends (besides gorgos I dunno why) are my favorite enemies to fight. Especially greavers and trojans. You know why? Because they are difficult and the feeling you get is amazing. I feel very accomplished and good about myself when I kill them. I don't feel more happy when I finish a mission or kill JK! Every monster has been nerfed besides gorgos and minis I think. Anyways greavers are pretty easy anyways. Every single hit interupts them! Just shield cancel! Or gun! Also to me cutters now have a use! If you can't deal with the way the game is and are not willing to challenge yourself, then you truly are pathetic simce you aren't looking to be challenged. There is a difference between having fun and aiming for a goal by not having fun and then once you reaching that goal you are bored. If you can't deal with losing a few times then the game isn't for you. You win some you lose some, If you don't sweat you don't get it. Please keep this in mind.

Just craft a Nitronome already. You should already have all the recipes thrown at you for free, and it'll not only trivialize the greaver wave for you, but also compounds and pretty much everything else in the game. It's powerful. It's fast. It covers a wide area. There is not a single challenge in the game that cannot be beaten (and easily so) with adequately applied Nitronome.

It's not a pay-to-win item. It's one of the least exclusive items the game could possibly have. I'll bet the only thing standing between you and having a Nitronome right now is a couple of elite orbs and maybe some 4* fire crystals.

In fact, everyone reading this post get a Nitronome. It's only disruptive to your party if you and everyone in your party are headless chickens who don't know how to behave around Nitronomes. For your convenience, here is a set of instructions:

1. Charge Nitronome.
2. Plant Nitronome.
3. Be inside of Nitronome at the time it explodes. It is impossible to get an enemy knocked into you by Nitronome if you are inside of Nitronome because Nitronome pushes enemies outside of itself.
4. Nitronome Nitronome Nitronome.
5. Don't look at the screen because cool guys don't look at explosions and also all the flashy explosions may hurt your eyes.
6. Repeat.

There was an easy as hell solution to Batabii's problem with Greavers by Materialist. I've used this technique myself and I can say with utmost certainty that you'd have to be a really, really bad player for it not to work. I'm a slightly less-than average player armed with only a Final Flourish, Dread skelly shield and deadly virulisk set that is probably only good for fashion than fighting, and yet I took down those greavers like it was a cakewalk. I didn't need perks or trinks, either. Materialist has a FAILPROOF, EASY solution, and what is Batabii's response?
"Seems like an absurd amount of extra "training" just to beat ONE enemy spawn.
I never needed to "shield-switch cancel" on any other spawn in the entire game, why should it suddenly be a requirement now?
Just because you CAN beat greavers doesn't mean they're not overpowered. They were never this bad in arenas a year ago."

Okay, you've whined for DAYS about these stupid greavers and now that you have a failproof solution you balk at it because it'll take you one or two minutes of your time to master? Oh geez, Bata. If you can't use this method, or don't want to, there are other solutions on this thread, solutions that require a better loadout and at least a slight semblance of skill, both of which I think you lack . Just because you don't necessarily have to use this technique on other monsters does not mean it is a waste of your time. It is still extremely useful in other situations, so your point is moot. And as I pointed out, you CAN take down greavers using different methods, but you either don't even try it, say that it is too hard, or claim that the equipment is too hard for you to obtain.

Please... Leave this thread with at least a shred of your former dignity intact. As of now, I think the entire community thinks of you as the "guy who whines a lot".

I agree. I've already shown how to kill greavers fast, though. Larry's looking for a way to beat them safely.

Whenever I suspect I might encounter something actually challenging as opposed to something I want to roflstomp as fast as possible, I'll bring Nitro.

@Zeddy

Would you happen to have a video of BAB vs Greavers?

Oh, ok!

You dont have to do any extra work, just wondering if u had one offhand.

Thanks for ur response!

Batabii has no reason to ignore your post, Materialist. As I previously stated, you can do this with a FF and some s***** armor. I have a deadly viru set and a dread skelly shield, no perks, no trinks, and an FF. Using your method (and I didn't have to teach myself anything but look at your video) I took down the twelve greavers like it was child's play.

SO MUCH ARGUING

MUST ACTIVATE NOSTALGIA ATTACK

GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

As long as greavers don't fall into Lockdown, I'm cool.

Just imagine random Greavers in Necropolis...

Stop trying to teach Batabii how to kill "OP" Greavers. At this point we should be aware he's not going to listen to any of us.

Please, let this thread die.

I wonder how this thread is not dead so I will simply repost the same exact thing I said THREE MONTHS AGO which makes Greavers so easy to kill-and that implies for arenas only which he doesn't like oh so much.

I run arenas for most of my profit, and when the occasional T3 arena comes by, I always do it (and it is usually fiends for some reason, just like I find T2 being a lot of slime or construct). The final greaver wave was not challenging (freeze status), just sit in a corner and use your piercing sword while cancelling. You keep interrupting and the status was freeze so it didn't matter as I didn't plan on being anywhere else. I guess with shock status it would be harder because if you got shocked once you'd be dead though. Also, the devilites aren't too big of a problem, because it will only spawn about two of them.

I repeat: The final greaver wave was not challenging (freeze status), just sit in a corner and use your piercing sword while cancelling.

I am defender elite and I have no problem with soloing shock fiend arenas. Robo arenas are harder. What I do is that I stay in a combo and shield cancel away. If ya can't do that then... I dunno.

@Batabii Personally, I think you can find a strategy. You have multiple weapons and armors, and onoy you know what you have. I would have to say mixing and matching your equipment to find your best loadout would be more effective than asking people for help. They will give help based on their own equipment and tactics, while you possess your own unique weapons and tactics.

Just my opinions, all up to you.

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