This energy cost increase is completely unacceptable! You are being completely ridiculous! Seriously, how do I get my money back!

Lol, what a horrible update. I'm never buying CE again.

@ Eurydice

Constructive Criticism? How about you make updates that are acceptable. Then we'll make constructive criticism. How about this:

We currently have 80% of our guild leaving. In-game, about 90% of everyone who logged in have said they're quitting. Is that constructive enough for your company?

I am very concerned about this however, they didn't say they raised ce costs in crafting only alchemy costs, which I take to be mats. If they did raise ce prices, it will no longer be pertinent to roll UVs and in which case they game will be dead. It's already hard enough and EXPENSIVE enough ce wise to roll UV's.

Yes they may have given us an auction house, whoopie, but in place of it they just killed the market for 4* and 5* sellers, I knew people were making their living off that crap and now they are effed in the a.

If they raised ce prices for crafting, they are greedy and I'm probably going to leave the game. I'm sick and tired of this, it's supposed to be a free to play game. Are you even thinking about your Free to play players, not everyone has the ability to pay for ce.

These latest updates if you did what I think you did, make me think otherwise.

Horrible descion to bind crafting everything else good descion but i have to say im glas ooo did an exxlent job with ypp or id have no faith that this will be changed extreamly soon.AH good call though guys.YOU CAN AND I HOPE WILL CHANGE THIS
-faithfull three rings user since 2004

All right. I gotta say, I'm okay with the update, except for one thing.

The energy cost for alchemy.

All right. So five star recipe went from 300 energy to 800. That's huge. Yes, I have spent money on this game, and I don't mind doing that. However, that sudden change in energy price for 5-star recipes is ridiculous. Free-players have to pay 5000 crowns for 100 energy at the moment (which might rise in the coming days because you've raised the energy costs for alchemy). And they only get 100 free-energy per day. So, let's assume a person has a full mistank. So they still need 700 energy. So that's 35,000 crowns. Now unless the game changed how many crowns you can get per dungeon, that's a lot (and that's assuming they play like me--just money from dungeons, not from selling items). I think it takes me forever to get up there. Maybe not for everybody I suppose. Definitely doable, just a tad bit harder and takes a bit longer.

I don't understand the sudden rise in how much energy it takes to alchemy. That's not fair for free users. Maybe upping it to 500 is okay. I would have been fine with that. But 800? I think that's a bit much. That means you have to spend 4000 energy to get yourself all 5-star equipment (weapon, gun, armor, helmet, shield). So that's how much in real money? Over 10 dollars. When before it was 1500 energy at about five dollars. So unless we use crowns to get energy, you've doubled the price to fully outfit your knight with the best equipment you can get for it.

I dunno. I'm not happy with it.

I sure hope I find the auction house worth it, cause I'm going to need a lot more crowns for this.

The rise in crafting costs is the game killer for me. That's a lot of CE to put into a single piece of gear, and I'm going to hesitate to make anything into 5* unless it has a phenomenal UV on it already.

I'll probably skip 5* crafting and just try to beat Vanaduke with my 4* set. This is quite a bit more than I expected.

I'm pretty unhappy with the crafting CE cost changes.

400 CE for a 4-star? 200 for 3? 800 for 5?

(Edited for language)

I'm not playing this. Too many game killers in one update. Way to mess things up rofl!

Will take a look in a week or two to see if things improved.

If nobody noticed, you won't be buying recipes for leveling for other people anymore, so the increased energy price is directly related to the decreased recipe price. What's the difference if you're just buying the recipe for yourself anyways?

Ok, now that I've had a chance to go in and see the increase in crafting costs? Yea, this isn't happening.

I'll check back in awhile to see if your elite surgical team have managed to fix your head being so far up your *** that you can lick your vocal chords.

@ Abhorsen55

You must not see the rise in crowns for CE that's happening. I'd say give it a few days for it to be at 20k crowns for 100CE. This means the rise in crafting will hurt everyone.

800 CE to make a five star item? (2)

yeah propably ill quit =/
A very good game ruined in only one bad update! Greedy company indeed!

People complaining a lot, lets look at this in full.

Haven
New Training hall and the much needed auction house, both very good.

Boss Tokens
Tokens depending on how much the the terminal you did, makes sense to me for the most part, the more effort you put in the more you get out. And most of those boss tokens are nulled out by the fact that the bound items are no longer trade able once updated.

Levels
Clockwork terminals have been fixed to stop people from basil farming / basil selling, makes sense. minor bugs fixed, all seems good. Clockwork terminals are free to join, which is awesome because Its a mid-level and should be free since you pay for an elevator right after.

Shops
Now you must complete the whole level before a vendor to get the benefits from them, makes sense as well as they are trying ot stop people from getting recipies too easily, and selling them off etc. Encouraging more gameplay over people simply buying their way to T3.

Crafting
Definitely taken aback by this part. I didn't see harm in selling high star gear, I assume its to again encourage gameplay over throwing money around, now for end of game players who have already completed this, it makes it slightly annoying, but also allows for a bit of replayability.

Also expect people to sell low 2* and 3* gear with UVs now and it will require you to level it up yourself, if anything it save you the money but causes a little more effort on your part.

* Items now display their star value and number of unique variants on the item pill. Handy!
nice addition I guess, doesn't really do anything. Although can't an item only have 1 unique variant? whats that mean exactly by number of UVs on it?

Recipes
prices reduced and we are reimbursed our money, which they didn't have to do but did, that s a nice bonus and I expect a large increase in spending once the game is back up!

Bugfixes
Lag issues fixed hopefully, thats a big one, and some other bugs fixed

IF you really take a look at this update, its all pretty solid, theres a method to the madness of the limitations on 4 and 5 star items as well as recipe accessibility and I think people will slowly see its for the greater good. Also think about it this way. With 4 and 5 star gear out of the picture their recipes and all recipes will be going for a lot more cash.

Again all this update does is encourage exploration and more gameplay. Sounds pretty acceptable to me. Looking forward to seeing the auction house in action.

This was a terrible change, and I can understand energy prices for recipies being increased a bit, but this is a huge explosion in cost, which on top of everything makes 4* and 5* recipies utterly worthless to have outside of getting your own copy.

Why dont you all stop you're crying, the update hasn't even been out a day yet and you are all talking about now it runined the game. By the sound of it, apparently all of you people are developers with Masters in economics, I dont think so. STFU and give it a chance. Play for a few weeks then start your bitching, if need be. Ok I'm done.

@Paska, dead on man, good post dude.

A few things that I notice happening out of this...

- The equipment lines that start with boss token turn-ins (sealed sword, antigua, whatever comes out of Fang of Vog and so forth) will require the player who wants them to actually run those bosses, without exception. "Avenger with UV" is going to translate to "I ran the jelly king a *whole* *lot*.

- unbound high-tier gear is going to get *real* expensive. If you have an unbound Vile Striker, hold on to it - in not so very long it's going to be one of the only tradeable vile strikers in the game. If it's an Avenger with a decent UV instead, there's likely to be a point where you can name almost absurd prices for it.

- It will (for the most part) no longer be possible to lay down cash for energy, walk into the market, and buy top-tier gear.

- Recipes (like the stone tortoise) that generate 4* gear off the bat without requiring lower-tier gear as an input are suddenly going to be a lot more important, as exceptions to the previous rule- and doubly so, as they won't have the (now increased) energy costs for crafting earlier versions. Ditto to uncraftable, looted gear.

- recipe demand for upper-tier recipes will go up significantly, as everyone will need recipes for almost everything they want to craft. Depending on how deep the discount is, this could be a significant crown sink (which would be good - the game could use a few good upper-tier crown sinks)

- if you intend to eventually have UV gear, there's noticeably less reason to level non-UV gear, as there isn't going to be any way for you to get the money back out of it later.

AH YAY! Crafting changes WTH?!? Way to ruin something good.

I fear for this games longevity now I mean all they had to do is add an AH and that's it people would of rejoiced but now it's all bitter sweet.

*edit* you know if we can't trade them AT LEAST give us a way to break them down for materials or something.

Not a fan of not being able to sell (almost) all of the 4* items or the energy raise, it's costing more than the recipe to even make the weapon which is the opposite of what you want. UVs now have became 100x more valuable and will become way less common.

Not only that but the CE price will raise as well, newcomers won't be able to craft anything without paying for it. I sure hope you get the moneys worth of this loss of players, because I'm not looking forward to continuing playing.

Also since someone mentioned this.

How will you be addressing the fact that people will be mailing recipes instead of selling Basil ports?

Why do you expect that from us, if you guys do such an unexpected and massive change that will simply change the whole game and economy? And without consulting us at all? Seriously? We pretty much have all the rights to be raging here.

But seriously. This isn't even the first time you guys do such massive changes without consulting the players. This is not just the players on an outrage, this is a serious matter that WILL kill the game if you simply do major changes like those.

You're simply giving no incentive for free players to play the game.

And as a sidenote, there's still tons of major issues with the balancing of several things that are also major, (some relating to the economy/auction house/those changes) and seriously need to be balanced. I suggest you guys check my "Balance Rants" thread under suggestions. And at least give us an answer.

Anyway, actual AUCTION HOUSE feedback:

>Listing/Sale price fee: Must pay 10% of it to place the item on the Auction House, must pay 10% of sell value if the item sells.
...Seriously? Is this a crown sink or something? Because if it is, it's a terrible one.

It shouldn't ever cost more than 5% for the listing fee, and 10% from the sales is even too much. In general I don't think this can work out properly unless the fees are 2% for listing and 5% for sales.

With the fees so insanely high, players won't really have any incentive to even use the Auction House. I'm pretty sure everyone else will continue to use the trade chat.

I love the auction house and I really don't mind the binding of 4* and 5* items. Increasing the base CE cost to create new items is a big hit, but if they want to make Unique things...well...Unique, I can't think of a better way, unless they want to tweek the % chance of creating one.

I have to wonder if OOO has experienced such an influx of new blood to this game that the costs of keeping it up are higher than expected...they need to find some way of staying alive so a change to how much energy it costs to craft is far less hurtful than increasing the energy it costs to revive, or use elevators.

I'll keep playing and look forward to seeing the auction house...but I will be buying less CE now than I have been. I was grinding weapon creation and no longer want/need to with this change.

~Haven Changes!
I love the actual expanding of haven, a training room might be fun actually, and the AH is a much needed addition.

~Boss Tokens
Personally, I think it sounds good. This will keep people from joining right before going down the elevator to JK or Vanaduke to get the tokens... or at least not as many. No effort now equals little reward.

~Clockwork Terminal/Bail
No longer costs any energy to port to a clockwork terminal, this is why they removed the minerals. If they didn't the terminals would provide an infinite amount of minerals for free. I thought that would be obvious but since a few people mentioned the minerals being removed I figured I'd add it. Basil ports... about dang time! I got so sick of looking for a recipe and getting replies of "I'm at Basil and can port you there for 5k, he has what you're looking for." This is to stop people from making crowns for doing NOTHING.

~Crafting
I am a crafter, and supply my guild with items, but was not doing high end items so I do not really mind the change in the bound/unbound thing. I am a little annoyed that one piece I was upgrading to sell is no longer viable but oh well.

New Energy prices:
1* no change, still 10
2* no change, still 50
3* now 200
4* now 400
5* now 800

Personally I think they went a little overboard with the Energy cost of the crating. I would have made it 100, 300, and 500. I get why they up'd the cost. With the removal of selling high end gear people won't be making a ton of them to sell so they had to make it up somewhere... I don't like it but I understand it. As for the Alchemy Machine art change... don't really care.

Recipe prices have also been reduced, new prices are:
1* still 250
2* still 1000
3* now 4000, down 1500 from 5500
4* now 10000, down 5000 from 15000
5* now 25000, down 20000 from 45000

~Items
I rather like that they changed the Item icons so that they show the amount of stars and if the item has a UV or not.

Overall several positive things(Basil ports, AH, bound crafting depending on your viewpoint) and some negative. They'll probably lower the crafting energy prices some after they receive the massive negative feedback from it. 800 for a 5* is rather excessive.

~Gwen

@ updates... instead of listening to players suggestions you took it on your own back to make changes that no one wanted.. grats on the Fubar

@ Eurydice.. asking players to add "constructive criticism" when you guys add anything but a "constructive" update is funny as hell.

not saying ill quit... but i wont be putting more cash into this game... not when GM's can just skrew around with any good part of the game while not fixing up problems that ppl have listed in various forums..

so, how much is alchemy cost going up in the next update, or the update after that.. now we know u can raise it at any given moment, without warning..
doubt theres much trust of GM's now.