Can agree with Draycos, some damage changes (mixer nerf) would be nice, or fixing the fact that its charge still goes through walls, or like you mentioned, those performance issues. I'd imagine changing the damage of a weapon wouldn't be difficult at all, and people who are a fan of that weapon would love the buffs as well. I haven't seen a damage change on a weapon at all, which is weird now that I think about it. Kinda ironic that the sword they released with the update is garbage tier.

I am very pissed off at reading this.

You guys don't give it a rest do you?

Its barely ONE month since our last update.

...sigh...

Even a single month is a very long time.

@Fangel

Free Content? You do realize that you paid for content that were more or less already there (sleep, you can't introduce something you already introduced), some reskinned armors and status that can be redone in like a few minutes. A few hours tops.

If anyone should be angry, it is you. You are donating to a game company that has proved time after time that it could care less what you think of them (or too afraid), your goodwill is going to the proverbial sink, and what angers me the most, is that you are fine with it, even went as far as defending them for their silence and shady actions. That angers me more than GH and OOO combined.

Grow up people. If you like the game, play it. If not, deal with it.

I like the game, and I like GH. I spent money because of this alone. I won't act as pretentious as some of you and assume I know what the dev team does IRL. Maybe they all have a family and kids and a full time job, and are doing this as a hobby. If you don't know #&$@, don't say #&$@.

With the way you people act, I would ignore you too if I was a dev.

I don't play the game, actually.. Maybe once a month I'll log in to play with old friends, but nobody could call that "active".

I don't know anything about their personal lives, and that's exogenous from the points I'm arguing. I have already said you don't need to point at the crazy amount of time elapsed for little return when you can just attack their bizarre priorities instead.

It doesn't matter if my attitude is off-putting when they clearly ignore everybody anyway (beyond token appeasement). The years of being out of tune with the playerbase regardless of who owns the game speak for themselves.

With the way you people act, I would ignore you too if I was a dev.

If you don't know #&$@, don't say #&$@.

Probably should take your own advice there, Bunduru.

I've been here on these forums for a good 6 years at this point, have experience working on projects of my own, and this topic isn't exactly new to me or the forums in general. The truth of the matter is that-

The sleep update was fine. It likely represented about a month or so of preparation, most of which would have gone into the artwork, modernizing the levels, and of course fixing the status and attempting to balance the new weapons which are in turn balanced well into the system they were balanced around, even if that system isn't balanced itself. It's also important to keep in mind that auxiliary features like guild hall statues do take work fixing up. This work on the game should be celebrated, especially financially as that encourages more work to be done.

The problem arises from the fact that Grey Havens asks us for money. A good way to view the prize boxes that many follow is as the high school band selling chocolate bars for 5 bucks a pop. 100% not worth it, but it's going to a good cause, in our case Grey Havens and what we presume to be more content. It's not that hard to open up Spiral Spy and change around a few colours and then call it a day, but it is real work to give 50 dollars to Grey Havens, and that work is rewarded with the chocolate bar of pearl armor- a lovely and highly collectible symbol that you cared deeply for the game.

The problem then, is the expectation of new content in a timely manner. When players give money to Grey Havens- much more money than any game ought to be worth- they come to want more content updates. When this does not happen many players come to feel anger towards the developers, and in the case of this thread, lash out at them. Content in the free game is not free at all, but rather very, very costly- people were waiting months to get the stars to align and produce something playable, and they did, and they were happy, but it doesn't meet expectations because the game has grown large and updating it isn't likely an easy or fun task. The expectation is 1 dollar in; 1 dollar of content out. The reality is 50 dollars in from 30 players (compared to 15 from thousands, or 5 from a million) and a less than optimal ratio out on that investment. This is no one's fault.

People are right to feel frustrated. The dev(s) are right to feel frustrated. There's nothing wrong with these negative emotions.

@Doomiax

You do realize that the poem is just the modified lyrics of this song? Right?

@Fehzor

I guess to add to that, GH showed little in the way of promise. Hope can carry you on for a while, but only a while, this is one of the reason why I oppose Fangel's optimism so much. I mean, both he and Bopp are running out of good things to say about this game, seriously.

Keeping the game alive is par for the course, the fact that Fangel can make a mountain out of this tiny anthill is baffling to me. I mean, yeah, keeping SK alive is good and I can play some solo arcade once in a while. But that is not enough to say the game is 'going strong' and we are all too whiny for our own good.

GH has literally learned NOTHING from their mistakes. What do GH do when they failed to deliver with the gunner update? Never promise anything again, we got no early notice for any updates nowadays, not even timed event so we can prepare IRL. Weapons are unbalanced? We failed to balance and nerfed/buffed some weapons too hard (RSS/Acheron)? Oh well, we will never touch the balance ever again, even if they are still obviously under/over powered (CIV/Chaos). Receiving a lot of community backlash? Oh well, excommunicate them and never hear from them again!

I think the reason why so many things won't change in SK is that GH simply lost the will/courage/determination/audacity to do so. I mean, how else can one explain their inactions if fixing this game is as easy as Draycos described?

*puts on tinfoil hat*

Or you can think of it this way: if it wasn't for Grey Havens, there wouldn't be a Spiral Knights to complain about.

I try to be realistic. Anyone who expects lots of big content updates from Three Rings or Grey Havens is unrealistic.

So far, your 'realistic' expectation seems to be, stick around and see what happens. If that is really your point, then can you hypothesis a reason why GH hasn't moved forward with some obvious changes they can make to the game that won't even take them that much effort?

So far, your 'realistic' expectation seems to be, stick around and see what happens. If that is really your point, then can you hypothesis a reason why GH hasn't moved forward with some obvious changes they can make to the game that won't even take them that much effort?

I don't think about it much. I just play the game when I want to, and I don't play the game when I don't want to. Anyway, I don't agonize over it.

But, to answer your question: Polished software always takes more work than one expects. The changes you're describing take a moderate effort rather than little effort. And Grey Havens' work schedule is so scanty that a "moderate" effort takes months. I wish things were different, but apparently they're not.

There is a significant difference between voicing your opinion about the direction of the game on a public forum and bashing the developers, support team, and community of a game for not meeting your own personal needs.

People in the PvP sphere didn't ask for Hardcore Mode. Even before Hardcore Mode, the community had moved past Auto Target and realized that UVs, trinkets, and ping had a much higher influence than Auto Target ever did. Hardcore Mode just showed up and proved the current thought process true, and it did it in such a way (hazards, new LD maps) that makes it more interesting anyways.

Here's my own personal take on Grey Havens, Spiral Knights, and previously, Three Rings: I will appreciate them for the things they do right, and give constructive criticisms for what I believe they have done wrong. For example, Equinox and Solstice Prize Boxes have not survived the transfer over to standalone prize boxes very well. As such, for those boxes only, the previous system should be brought back. Instead of complaining about mixmaster, I did some tests and offered several solutions to balance. Instead of complaining about kat raiments, I started a community discussion about how to make the event more fun, and I bring this thread up every time the black kat event returns.

From the occasional casual interaction I'll have with game masters, they are more than aware of what we are saying - it's part of their job.

Much like the law in today's day in age with technology all around us, sometimes they move forward slowly. Not because they don't know, but because every step forwards requires foresight and testing, even the smallest thing.

So make your voice heard. Get into discussions. Explain why you don't like the game, where it is going, etc. Let's talk about the game - not the developers and speed of development, not the communication between support and the community, and not individual qualities of players. The latter separates us, talking about the game brings us together.

I believe we dont get any new content because we never agree on anything. This games community is divided into 3 sections. Haters, lovers and neutrals. Haters want the game to die and want GH to plummit to their death as fast as they can. Lovers continue to support the game by defending against untrue rumors and buying things. Neutrals like me dont really care less about what happens. Neutrals would just do something other than SK instead of sit in haven for hours. Now i know not all of you are one of these 3 groups but i see them as the MAIN 3 groups in the community. The biggest problem is though that WE NEVER AGREE ON ANYTHING. All we do is argue about what we want and call each others opinions stupid and invalid. Sometimes we have suggestions with no one saying no and a few people saying yes but that isnt enough. We need someone to come up with a good idea, have a large majority of the community comment with "Yes id like that" instead of just saying it in your head and then send the thread to GH so they can see it faster. If this doesnt happen then dont ever expect anything new because they arent getting guidance. GH wants to know what we want but we can never give them a straight answer.

In conclusion how about we have a thread making ideas for a new update and then eventually have everyone agree on ONE STRING OF NEW CONTENT?
Not a thread complaining about no new content.

1. Auto target being taken out of lockdown was the devs showing they can do something. No one asked for it yes but they wanted to do a little something showing us that they aren't lazy and they can do stuff.

2. Yes it's possible. Just because we are all divided doesn't mean we can't all agree on at least one thing. If all of you agree i'm a nuisance to this community then hey wouldya look at that! You all agreed on something! Also i never said it had to be to the point where EVERYONE likes it. I said a large majority. And it doesn't always mean everyone loses. Hah. Where did you even get that idea?

3. Take my complaint from half a year ago about the forge and orbs. You'll easily see i had experience on knowing why THAT'S still here. In summary everyone there said it was to slow down the heating progress and that it was fine. Sure it was HALF A YEAR AGO but I've seen the current complaints and people are still saying stuff like that. Some people agree but they aren't saying anything most of the time that I see the threads.

Also don't think I'm TRYING to anger anyone. What i really want is the community here to shut up and agree on something. Sitting here just complaining won't lead to nearly as much as agreeing on something. Not all of you have to agree on something just a large majority. If you want the forge to go away then we need to keep getting them to add stuff in until the stuff we have makes the forge outdated and it's concept unfitting for the game.

Edit: Grossly unbalanced gear is also because no one comes to agreement.
Edit number 2: Heres what im saying. If you like an idea comment and say "Yes i like this" instead of just saying that in your head.

"The community does agree on things" I never directly said we dont. Im saying we need a HUGE amount of people to do it to get anything done. I know it isnt gonna do it right away but its a huge step in getting GH to consider things.

Also if you want to do the willy wonka you must be new here joke then get your facts straight because i happen to have been here since 2012 or late 2011.

Im not trying to attack anyone im just saying that if you like an idea then comment instead of saying in your head. Its not gonna get things done instantly but it will REALLY help.