The community that this manager is managing is not getting too happy. You still think this is not her job? Who is assuming too many things here?

Also, if you like to submit your will to OOO, be my guest. I believe consumers have rights and in this case, the decision to remove old RSS hampers that right and we are entitled to not only voice our opinions, but OOO needs to address the issue at hand.

"Three Rings already gave us some answers as to why they wanted the bomb changed and apologized in advance months ago and people are still asking for those two exact same things."

I think we can ask for a better apology...

Think. Your friend walks up to you and punches you in face as hard as he can, breaking your nose. Then he simply says, "Oh, sorry", and walks away casually. Would you forgive him?

Yes, and that is a good example of what to suggest. Contrast that to suggestions for bringing back the old bomb or comparisons people make to swords and guns, both of which contradict Three Ring's intentions behind changing the bombs.

Also just because Three Rings doesn't respond doesn't mean they're ignoring you. They don't respond to most suggestions and/or bug reports, but they likely read everything. The list of things to do is mighty.

Edit: To clarify: I have nothing against petitions or even asking for the old bomb back, provided in the latter case they don't just outright ignore or try to twist things Three Rings has said in the past about it. This whole daily bumping just to try to fish a response out of a Dev is something else entirely though. Petitions are to get your voice to them. This is good. Shouting regularly that they should spend development time giving you the answer you want to the specific thing you care about of all the things they have to deal with, I don't think this is so good. They're fully aware of our positions by now. Trying to harass, annoy, and/or threaten them regularly serves no constructive purpose.

I wonder how much Nick can do. Remember the OCH? Minutes after the release notice aired, he said you could buy OCH with CE. That's right, he said CE. Then that was a mistake and he changed it to a dollar amount. That really ticked people off.

So my point is, I wonder if Nick could do anything about it. I wonder if he thought (and wanted it) to be with CE, and to not change the shard bomb, but they did it anyway. And somehow he was assigned to tell us so he would take the blame? Possible? Impossible? Plausible?

So, I drive a car affectionately known as a land yacht.
The other day I went out to get in it.
And it had turned into a paddle boat.
So I went to the car company forums to find out what happened.
Turns out, it wasn't enough like a yacht, so they got rid of the wheels and replaced them with paddles.
But that is ok, because they were going to compensate me for it.
When I went to the mailbox, my breath was baited as I opened the door to find..........
A ticket for 3 random boat upgrades.
Could be blinky lights, or could be a better motor.
Either way, I was going to have to stand on the street corner and shout a lot until a rich player rolled by to take this useless ticket off my hands.
And to add insult to injury, a bunch of people that never drove my kind of car went and made a bunch of tiny models of my car and got tons of 1 random upgrades.

ooo, Please just talk with us.

They should at least answer what AoE have to do with shooting to be placed in the same classifying category.... If he want all bombs to do AoE, then all guns should only hit a single enemy to have some logic.

Well, the bomb was taken away because of his definition of "all bombs must do AoE" so yeah, it have everything to do with it. Aside from proving that his logic is flawed and thus getting the bomb back (almost no chance, since the devs don't even care to post something here aside from a few "yeah we are doing something, now wait"), the only thing that you can do is ask for a replacement (your RSS for a Heavy Crystal bomb if all you want is an elemental bomb) which I highly doubt that they will do either.

Nice Move ooo.
Pulling the link from the General Section.
Find it odd that you can find the time to do this,
But can't be bothered to answer the questions at hand.

To the people who feel like you're "owed" something out of this, I'd like to remind you all that the Terms of Service (which we all agreed to when we signed up to play) includes the following:

"Further, Three Rings reserves the right to terminate the Site, Services and/or Games, or any part thereof, at any time without notice and without further obligation to you. IN NO EVENT SHALL YOU BE ENTITLED TO A REFUND OF ANY FEES OR PRORATION THEREOF."

This is a standard (and very wise) clause that you're likely to find in nearly all online games and many online non-game services. Without it, even the tiniest change can open the "I didn't pay for this" can of worms, and by extension a ton of messy litigation.

I'm as upset as the next knight about the removal of the old RSS and would love to have it (or at least a suitable set of replacements, but that's for a different thread) back, so I support this petition. But keep in mind that no matter how many words or how much money we throw at the captain, we still don't steer his ship.

Thank you for your petition support Arq.

I don't have the exact numbers, but DCB does more damage to zombies than DBB if you don't count the time difference between the bombs, and this is also assuming you manage to get 2 shards to hit a zombie. DCB does have a nasty habit of knocking zombies around erratically which may be detrimental to your teammates, and it also has that blind spot in the centre should a zombie decide to bunny hop at you past the secondary shards.

In short, preferably use DBB if you're in a party, and use DCB when you're alone.

Ohai Aphrodite!

"... everything to do with buying a product, only to have that product retroactively changed and made useless without any real compensation.

Best offer I have been able to muster for a 3 UV Ticket is right around 150k.

That is nowhere near the crown amount for crafting/heating/UV'ing a 5* bomb from scratch."

This statement started to bother me as soon as I saw it, so I went and did some fact checking and some math, and I've come to the opinion that you were pretty well compensated, actually.

First off, you were compensated for a 4* bomb, not a 5* bomb. (Really, thinking about it, this is probably yet another reason these bombs were changed; having a 4* item as good as a 5* isn't good for balance.) So calculating the cost compared to making a 5* item isn't fair on OOO, because that's not how much you initially paid. Instead, we've got to compare it to making a 4* item.

Now for math:
To make a 4* item from scratch, you're going to need recipes, crowns, energy, materials, and a bit of heat. the old RSS line started at 2* if I'm not mistaken, so we start there.

Recipe costs-
2*: 1,000 CR
3*: 4,000 CR
4*: 10,000 CR
Current total: 15,000 CR

Crown costs in crafting-
2*: 400 CR
3*: 1,000 CR
4*: 2,500 CR
Current total: 3,900 CR + 15,000 CR = 18,900 CR

Energy costs in crafting-
2* 50 CE
3* 200 CE
4* 400 CE
Current total: 18,900 CR & 650 CE.
Or, if you craft smart and use as much mist energy as possible for every craft: 18,900 CR & 400 CE

Now, I didn't feel like looking up and calculating the exact material costs, (Though let's be honest, it's not like materials are hard to get unless we're talking Shadow Lair materials.) so instead I'm just gonna treat the CE cost as if it's 10,000 CR per 100 CE instead of the 8,500~ CR per 100 CE that it's been hanging around currently. That should be more than enough to compensate the material cost. I'm not calculating heat either, because you only need five levels of it on a 3* item for this craft, and that's extremely easy to get for free using mist energy.

When using that number for CE, we end up with 83,900 CR/58,900 CR for the 4* item. You were given an item worth 225,000 CR, and still kept your 4* item too, as useless as it may arguably be. Even selling that ticket for only 150,000 CR is still a damn good deal in my opinion.

Sources-
http://wiki.spiralknights.com/Crafting
http://wiki.spiralknights.com/Punch

You're not taking into account the people who spent loads more on rolling decent UVs on their RSS. Granted, not everyone spent bucketloads on rolling for either CTR or Undead bonus UVs, and it's hard to check who spent how much on UV rolling. The vocal people who are against this bomb change tend to be the ones who did spend a bomb on UV rolling, and being recompensated just a measly 150k while other non-bombers abuse the compensating system and get way more while spending way less is more than enough to tick them off.

they DO NOT answer questions on the forums. That is for the email. Send them a message, Acck. Seriously, this list of 'things' wouldn't exist if they didn't answer me. I mean, gosh, making a fangame without permi...uhhh, I'll just link to it. Here you go.

EDIT: especially if you want a straight answer. When you are putting it up on the forums, you are saying "others can help argue/discuss this with me too. I don't care, really, whether I get an answer or not from them." By mailing them, I believe it means you are directly asking them a question.

/think Oh, and the old RSS won't fit in that game. Nope, you wouldn't even be able to tell the difference. *Crosses it off list.*...Why are you all so interested in my shopping list?

Closes wallet.
Crosses arms.
Taps foot impatiently

"I turned off the shadow copy from the general discussion and ask that you leave it so. The reason for this is because this thread belongs in the suggestions section of the forums. When we move a thread from one section to another, we leave the shadow copy up for a bit, so that people active in the thread will know that it has been moved. We now assume you know where to find this discussion, so having a link in the general discussion list isn't necessary anymore.

I was not trying to hide or sweep this discussion under the carpet, simply a bit of regular forum maintenance and organization. "

Ohreally? Then what the hell is this doing here? Hmmmm? Is that a suggestion? I think not. Am I saying it should be moved? Not at all.

I bought a 20$ Steam card to buy some CE until this event happened. Your lack of communication has already lost you 5 extra bucks in your pocket to Portal 2, but you can still redeem yourselves and get the rest of my money.

It's my thread in the link!

Oh nothing is wrong with your thread in Suggestions, Atrum. Like nothing was wrong with this thread in General Discussion.

That no one posted a question to Nick in RadioSEGA about the RSS.